Audio Editor: Does Yours Crash?

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:49 pm

Can somebody else do a test to confirm if there might be a bug in
Audio Editor?

1. Open Audio Editor;

2. With a microphone plugged into your computer's sound card, click
the RECORD button and then click STOP.

Does an audio waveform get recorded for you?

There might be something on my system that's causing Audio Editor to
crash at this point.

Does your Audio Editor program crash?

Thanks,

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:08 pm

Jerry,

Followed by

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:11 pm

So this would seem to be a bug, right?

Your screen grabs seem exactly like mine.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

Gorf · Post by **Gorf** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:55 pm

Not entirely certain, but I think it's a bug introduced in MSP8 SP1. It shouldn't affect most serious users, though: There are more capable, free audio editors out there...

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:05 am

I prefer to do my audio Recordings in Audacity, it has more powerful editing features plus of course it is FREE. I didn't know there was a problem with the Audio Editor because to be honest I never found a need to use it.

MrA · Post by **MrA** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:57 am

Only thing I use it for is the ability to do cues and drag them in the video editor..

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:47 am

This bug pretty much ruins the program for me.

I formerly used the Audio Editor extensively.

Didn't need to start using it again until now and... now this.

I wish they would fix it.

It's another major bug, in my opinion.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

MrA · Post by **MrA** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 1:59 am

Seriously, for capture, try Audacity. It is free. Like I said, only thing in the audio editor for MSP8, and I use this a LOT, is the cues ability. I wish they would add the ability to convert audio cues to video cues. Currently you have to do it manually, and visually.

This approaches something I learned a long time ago, never depend on just one product to do everything in video editing, not even the same vendor. It's all about the end product, AND how you get there, well, just get there.

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:33 am

Well, of course, one must accept the reality that there are bugs in every program, but I'm feeling a bit grumpy right now because I was just wanting to do a new project in Audio Editor and -- bam -- a new bug.

The beauty of Audio Editor was its simplicity.

Audacity looks like the same thing, pretty much, so maybe I'll give it a try, but I'm so tired of installing new programs.

So I might just stick with Cakewalk; I have Cakewalk Home Studio 2004.

It's a relatively complex audio and midi program and is overkill... with a crowded interface... and the simple chores take longer.

The thing I liked about Audio Editor most was its integration with Video Editor and I love the way the cutting tools in Audio Editor work.

Maybe I'll try Audacity.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

Post by **Ron P.** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:51 am

I just tried, and yep I'd say it's a bug of some sort. Got the same error. I've never used the audio editor, just relied on Audacity.

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:56 am

Jerry

I don't understand why you are making such a song and dance about something that has been discussed here n times, if you had only bothered to do a search. And how come you have discovered it only now, when it has been there all along? Like the others, I've used Audacity for many years (probably since MSP5 days) because AE has never been a serious competitor. In fact, I suggest that I was probably the first to recommend it on the forums.

And may I respectfully suggest that you learn a little netiquette? It is bad manners to use screeds of double spaced, one-line paragraphs which require unnecessary scrolling!

Helge · Post by **Helge** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:52 pm

I once wanted to save my old recordings from analog tape (most taken from radio) on disk. I tried with different editors and did neighter succed with Ulead nor with audacity. Finally I succeded with nero. While this editor has not the best UI it was the only one to do analog recordings without crash, with ability to adjust pegels during recording and recognizing the input.
While there are many audio editors available (even expensive ones) and all have lots of features, hundreds of filters and effects, very few are usable for the basics.
I wished to have one just for recording, playback, finding locations in the sound an cutting it comfortable (easy scrolling and zooming). Adjusting levels during recording should be made easy with precise meters and peakhold and numeric input for adjustments (e.g. peakhold tells me it was 3 db too much so I could rewind tape and reduce by 3 db when I restart).

NOTE: this is a hint to Ulead

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Fri Jul 27, 2007 11:42 pm

What an appalling remark.

You admit this bug -- which makes a so-called "professional" video editing application's audio module next to useless -- has been left unfixed for more than a year and you have the audacity to grill me because I've not discovered this until now?

Trust me, if I had been involved in the beta testing for this version (and I wasn't; you were), this bug would not have gotten past me.

I used the Audio Editor program extensively in the past, as mentioned earlier.

During the past year, I haven't had to use it.

So -- surprise -- I open it and discover that the beta testing or the quality control relative to this version 8 has obviously failed in a major and obvious way and you want to grill me.

A remark like that is just incredible.

Moreover, your selfish remark about spacing is also appalling because YOUR single-spaced commentary is far more difficult to read, in my opinion.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

Devil wrote:Jerry

I don't understand why you are making such a song and dance about something that has been discussed here n times, if you had only bothered to do a search. And how come you have discovered it only now, when it has been there all along? Like the others, I've used Audacity for many years (probably since MSP5 days) because AE has never been a serious competitor. In fact, I suggest that I was probably the first to recommend it on the forums.

And may I respectfully suggest that you learn a little netiquette? It is bad manners to use screeds of double spaced, one-line paragraphs which require unnecessary scrolling!

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:27 am

Actually I used to do Calligraphy - don't have time nowadays.
One of the first things that I learned was that it wasn't so much the shapes of the individual characters that mattered but the overall 'picture' that the words, sentences, paragraphs and so on formed. You would 'paint' a picture with your writing.

Having mentioned that, I wouldn't expect anyone to try their hand at 'painting' a post on the forum - just not practical. What is required though is text that is readable. A few moments spent on layout can make all the difference to how a reader sees the post.

If faced with a screen full of solid single line spaced text with no paragraphs I am sure many readers are put off straight away thinking - boy that looks like heavy reading. On the other hand if you have to continually scroll the page just to get to the next sentence that can be just as tedious.

As an example of what I consider good layout on the forum, take a look at this post by snoops - don't read the content, just sit back from your computer and spend a few minutes gazing at the layout. It looks neat and so before even reading anything it has told you something about the author.

http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... 565#125565

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Sat Jul 28, 2007 8:33 am

Jerry Jones wrote: Trust me, if I had been involved in the beta testing for this version (and I wasn't; you were), this bug would not have gotten past me.

Don't be so bloody arrogant! You know nothing about what we were doing. Let me explain: this bug appeared in SP1. SP1 involved a host of bug corrections and new features. We were not informed of any changes in AE (in fact, I don't believe there were any; the problem was speculatively because of a concomitant change in the audio part of VE, possibly using a shared dll). The time between receiving the SP1 beta to release was so short, there was no way we could even test all the mods and new features systematically, let alone re-test all the old parts which we never dreamt would be different. I remember spending most of my time going through the enormous changes of the 5.1 audio in VE and checking over fixed bugs. We certainly never had enough time to attempt even a short practical project. How then would you detect this new bug, under those circumstances, when it took you over a year to detect it doing real projects? Be reasonable.

OTOH, as Ulead knew of this bug a long time ago, they have had ample time for a definitive fix. That they haven't is not the fault of the beta testers, who consecrate unpaid hours and days of time trying to find bugs, for no reward other than slating from the likes of you, who obviously knows better. Thanks a lot!