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Video Passthru not working

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I am using ULead11+, and attempting to record a VHS tape - to computer.
- I have a firewire connection to the computer from the DV camera
- I have a standard connector (Stereo, audio RCA plugs from the VHS recorder to the DV tape)
- I have configured the DV to act as a passthru and I am able to see and hear the playback from the VHS inside the DV display panel
- I do not have a tape inserted into the DV camera

When I start the recording from ULEAD - start capturing - it previews video and auido correctly for a short time - whether DV type 1 or type 2 - and then the following error is displayed. " Capturing failed - the file is corrupted and unusable - it will be automatically deleted"

Any tips - appreciated.

The disc that it is writing to - has over 70Gb free space, defragged etc. I have read the tutorials. However I am still having this problem
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Post by Ron P. »

Welcome to the forums,

We are very aware of this certified bug with VS11. I have personally dealt with Corel reps concerning this. They are to be issuing a fix, however we do not know when.

When Corel took over Intervideo * Ulead, and with the convenient release of Vista, they choose to replace the capture plug-in that has worked so well with VS for years, with the IVI capture plug-in. This will not allow capturing of analog video.

If you have VS10 you can still capturing using it, as it uses the previous Ulead DirectShow capture plug-in.
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THANK YOU!

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THANKs for the quick reply - I went to try and use movie maker and I had no issues at all. I will try and d/load 10 from the web and go from there..

What a great forum and quick reply!
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Ulead 10

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Where can I get ULead10? downloaded from?
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Post by Ron P. »

Sorry, I was suggesting that, hoping that you had an earlier version, and was just considering an upgrade. It is no longer available from Ulead/Corel. You might be able to locate a copy (full boxed, not download versions) through Amazon or Ebay.

If you can capture DV using WMM, then do that, and then insert the video into VS11. You can still edit using VS11, just not capture. FWIW, I don't use VS or MSP to capture, I use WinDV (free). I always capture to DV, via firewire, using one of my camcorder's pass-through. It works great.
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Post by Trevor Andrew »

Hi Ron

A little confused here,
I do not have VS 11.

Are you saying that VS 11 does NOT capture DV via firewire from a Mini-Dv type camera.?

Whether you connect the input as pass-through, or use the tape, should not affect the incoming data via firewire.
Its Dv-Avi.
Does VS know the difference between the external connections.

If we can capture normal tape to Dv-Avi then pass-through should work.
Or have I got the wrong end of the stick????
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Post by Ron P. »

No VS11 will not capture any analog video. It doesn't matter if you're using pass-through on a camcorder, or a capture device that converts it. I'm not sure what the program uses to check to see if it is analog or digital. With pass-through it could be in the control of the device. With pass-through, the program has no control, and digital it does.

Here's the post where this issue was first reported:

http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... 510#118510
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Trevor,

I was using my video capture as a passthru. To clarify - I wanted to convert some VHS videos to DVD.
-I therefore connected my DV camera to my computer via FireWire.
-Connected my VHS recorder to my DV camera through the standard RCA plugs (Left,Right,Video)
- Configured my DV camera to passthru - via menu on the camera
- Pressed 'Play' on the VHS recorder and I could see and hear the video from the VHS tape on my DV display on the camera.
- I then ran the VS11+ and started the capture.
- This is when I received the error.

I then did exactly the same and used Windows Movie Maker and it was all OK.

HOwever I will try and see if the same happens when I use the DV camera - with a Mini DV tape - to see if I can capture in VS11+. I am sure that I can - or else the software is a little useless if not..

Will let you know tomorrow.
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Post by Ken Berry »

It will certainly capture DV format from a mini DV camera using its mini DV cassette. It's just that it will not work if the camera is being used as a pass-through device. As Ron has indicated, it will also not capture from capture devices used for capturing in DV from analogue sources. And to add to the list (I am a victim of this one): it won't even capture from a Sony Digital 8 camera, connected by Firewire, but using an analogue 8 mm tape in it. (I bought the camera especially for transferring my analogue 8 mm this way, and the quality in VS10 is astoundingly good. But it won't work in VS11 at all.)

Like everyone else, I am anxiously awaiting the patch.

In the meantime, I am in the fortunate position of having VS10+ still installed so can happily use that.
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Post by GeorgeW »

I thought this issue was specific to A-D Conversions using the "Pass through" function of a DV camcorder :?:

I remember testing this with a Pyro A/V Link device -- which worked properly. Does anyone have a Canopus ADVC unit to try :?:

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Others in the original link reported trouble with capture devices, and I seem to recall one of them was a Canopus. I also reported my problem with the Digital 8 at the time too...
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Ken Berry wrote:Others in the original link reported trouble with capture devices, and I seem to recall one of them was a Canopus. I also reported my problem with the Digital 8 at the time too...
Agreed that the problem is there for DV camcorders (either miniDV or Ditial-8 -- and I also reported the issue with DV cams at the time). I did not see the Canopus ADVC units mentioned in the earlier thread (there was mention of an ADS DVD Xpress box -- which is an mpeg capture device, and I was referring to capture devices used for capturing in DV from analogue sources). But I probably just missed the reference to the Canopus ADVC units, or it might be in another thread. Now I am wondering why the Pyro A/V Link works, but the Canopus ADVC devices do not :?: :roll:

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Post by Ken Berry »

You could be right George -- I recall someone mentioning a capture device, and I thought it was a Canopus since I was thinking 'DV' at the time. But indeed it could have been an Adstech device capturing mpeg-2. I will try to find the original post and check... But at least it's good to know that the Pyro works.

EDIT: You *were* right. Found the thread, and specifically this mention of DX2, but not Canopus: http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... 608#118608
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