canopus dv raptor

dagobert · Post by **dagobert** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:12 am

Hi to everybody,
i'm new here... please be patient

i queried my question, but did not find any helpful threads...
i'm using xp prof., all serv.packs and the trial version of vs11. i have the old canopus dv raptor card. (earlier i used premiere 6.0 for editing, but too many problems...)
so can i use these dv card with video studio?
i tried it, but failed. with adobe premiere i can use the card/camera (sonydcr100) so i think, all drivers are properly installed, but with videostudio i dont have any options to connect with the card, there ist only the hint, that the camera is not turned on or the usb is not able..
i read the documentation and i have no entry in the hardwaremanager as mentioned, but i have the card listed as a multimedia card (no question mark, no other problems)

can anybody help?
thanks

Rupert

Post by **Ken Berry** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:34 pm

I suspect your camera is in fact an analogue one, which is why you are using the Canopus. If this is so, then I am afraid that VS11 has a certified bug which prevents any capture from analogue sources and analogue source material. For some silly reason, Corel/InterVideo, after they took over Ulead last year, decided to change the various capture plug-ins that had worked in previous versions of Video Studio. They substituted a single InterVideo capture module, which apparently cannot deal with analogue. Whether this aspect was tested or not before release, I have no idea, though I *do* have some suspicions!! I am another unhappy camper in this regard, though luckily, in my case, I have VS10+ on another XP computer which works just fine capturing analogue material.

We understand that Corel is working on a patch for VS11 which should correct this and other problems. But we don't know when it will appear. Hopefully soon.

dagobert · Post by **dagobert** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:14 pm

Ah, I think I asked a silly question, cause my camera is a Sony PC100E...
I'm using the card simply because I have it... (And I didn't have had a Firewire Card/Plug in my PC)
Meanwhile I baught a FirewireCard and installed it... (I have still some problems with it and will post another thread)
Thanks
Rupert

skier-hughes · Post by **skier-hughes** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:34 pm

The canopus card will have come with a plug in for up to V6.* premiere and this will allow premiere to work with it. The only other software that will work with the card would be edius.

I'm not sure if you get the option to change to std ieee capture with the raptor, thus use VS11, as I've only ever had the storm and now the nx series of cards.

Graham

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:03 pm

I had the Canopus DV Raptor card years ago.

Excellent card.

But you'll likely have a difficult time getting it to work with Corel VideoStudio 11 Plus.

Here's why.

Most modern Firewire cards comply with the "Open Host Controller Interface" specification, which supports Microsoft's DirectShow architecture.

All of Corel's video editing applications are designed to support Microsoft's DirectShow architecture.

So any Firewire card that complies with the "Open Host Controller Interface" (OHCI) standard will work with the Corel programs.

The Canopus DV Raptor does not comply with the OHCI standard because that card was designed to work with the older "Video-For-Windows" architecture using a proprietary software driver from Canopus that could only work with programs it was specifically designed to support.

Canopus originally bundled the DV Raptor card with Corel (formerly Ulead) MediaStudio Pro version 5!

Canopus then updated the driver -- as I recall -- to make the DVRaptor compatible with version 6 (and maybe even version 7).

But then Canopus decided to stop working with Ulead and instead work with Adobe (while working on proprietary Canopus editing applications).

I don't think the Canopus DV Raptor driver was ever written to support any of the VideoStudio versions.

So I suspect you may be out of luck with that particular card.

It was a great card; very stable.

But it is terribly outdated in many other ways.

Due to the fact it doesn't support DirectShow architecture, it doesn't support very large file sizes in the same way that an inexpensive OHCI-compliant DV card of today can.

As I recall, the Canopus team devised a clever way to get around the file size limitations of Video-for-Windows.

But as good as the card was, it's really obsolete these days.

You can spend $50 for an OHCI-compliant card that will be supported by all of today's software.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:08 pm

Ken,

I'm pretty sure this is not the case.

Here, I have a DVico Fusion HDTV tuner and DVico's Web site lets you download both digital and analog capture drivers/software.

When I open Corel VideoStudio 11 Plus, I am able to get both the analog and the digital capture drivers to appear.

But I don't ever use the analog capture driver; there's really no need since it is inferior to the quality produced by the digital capture driver.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

Ken Berry wrote:They substituted a single InterVideo capture module, which apparently cannot deal with analogue.

dagobert · Post by **dagobert** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:31 pm

Thanks to everybody!

I decided to buy a Firewire Card and -thanks to Graham-, now it seems to work!

So I won't do any more work with the raptor...

(Btw. I worked with Adobe Premiere 5.1 and 6.0, and the system was never stable...)

Rupert

Post by **Ken Berry** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:44 pm

Jerry -- the point I was trying to make was that the IVI capture plug-in is the only one installed with VS11, and *by itself* it does not seem to handle analogue capture. Previous versions used to install at least 3 separate capture plug-ins (and 4 in the days of MicroMV). But even these did not work with certain capture cards which required their own drivers installed for that. I am not sure if DVico was one of those cards. But I am not surprised that yours works with VS11 since you have installed the separate drivers...

Post by **Ron P.** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:10 am

Jerry,

Ken is 100% correct, VS11 will not allow capturing analog video. This has been tested and confirmed by several, including Corel (formerly Ulead) Q&A. I communicated with them about this. So your DVico tuner probably installed a driver that VS11 is also using.

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:11 pm

1. You state that Corel VideoStudio 11 Plus is incapable of analog capture.
2. You then state that you believe my DVico tuner "probably installed a driver" that Corel VideoStudio 11 Plus is also using.
3. When I get home, I'll check to see if I can capture analog video using that driver and, if not, then your first statement is correct, but if I can capture analog video, then it would seem your first statement might not be correct.
4. A custom analog capture driver is usually necessary for capture from most analog sources.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

vidoman wrote:Jerry,

Ken is 100% correct, VS11 will not allow capturing analog video. This has been tested and confirmed by several, including Corel (formerly Ulead) Q&A. I communicated with them about this. So your DVico tuner probably installed a driver that VS11 is also using.

Post by **Ron P.** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:19 pm

I know that Ken, GeorgeW, and Steve J. to name a few tested this bug for Corel. We can place an analog tape in a DV camcorder, which is connected to our PCs via firewire. VS11 stops at about 10-13 secs into the attempt, and deletes the file. The same result occurs when trying to use the camcorders as Pass-through.

In fact the problem file (ulDvScDt.ax), that was "fixed" by Corel, and sent to me to test, worked for me, but not for the others. It seems to vary according to the capture device also.

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Tue Aug 07, 2007 4:13 am

Touche'; you and Ken are indeed correct.

VideoStudio 11 Plus's analog capture seems quite broken here, too.

I can see the analog capture driver in the drop-down list.

However, when I select it, I get a black screen in the preview window.

To find out if other programs might be able to use the same analog driver correctly, I opened MediaStudio Pro 8's Video Capture program.

That program works like a charm.

And, yes, I too had this same analog capture driver working correctly in VideoStudio version 10 Plus.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised -- at this point -- that this bug wasn't detected by Corel prior to the version 11 Plus product release.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net