The end of Media Studio??

dieu · Post by **dieu** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:06 am

Dang... Such a good product but doesn't work on Vista...

Oh well.. Time to install MS Virtual PC 2007 (freeware from MS) http://www.microsoft.com/windows/produc ... fault.mspx and run XP inside Vista with MediaStudio Pro running on XP on the virtual PC... then I'll have to share out the video folder so I can have access to my vista drive.

MrA · Post by **MrA** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:26 am

No, you are wrong. As long as I live and breath, MSP will live. I am making a documentary as I type. (ok, no I am not). But, as long as my PC's can hold out, I'll be using MSP. Damn, what the hell is THAT error code. Oh ok, it's just a game that farted. Ok, so, I'm cool so far. I'm editinga video now. AHHHHHH cooooollll, !!!!! Kick *** moving path on that image... wheeeh... wut? bad pan and zoom? no prob.. i can fix that with, with, with.. oh yes, yes, keyframes!!! I did it! yes, oh yes!! I did it!!, whheeue... I'm good.. I need a smoke, brb..

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:05 am

I think dieu was trying to bring to our notice a possible cure for Vista Related problems where users have older software that will not run on Vista.

I have looked at the Microsoft site offering this FREE download.
I must say though that I was immediately filled with dread at the thought of a Pseudo Multi Boot system.

A simple and in my opinion more robust and trustworthy way of going about such a system is to keep the operating systems as far apart as possible.
Here is my FREE solution!

Dual Boot the Steve Jones Method

neonbob · Post by **neonbob** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:28 pm

sjj1805 wrote:
A simple and in my opinion more robust and trustworthy way of going about such a system is to keep the operating systems as far apart as possible.
Here is my FREE solution!

I looked at your boot method and it's good, but you can accomplish the same independent behavior using the same drive eliminating the need to switch out drives all the time.

You need one drive partitioned 3 times, 40 gigs or more on each partition if you can, with partition 2 being a gig or 2 larger than partition 1. You will also need a third party boot manager (I use BOOTitNG). Your partitions should be FULL formatted or WIPED clean. No trace of old OS's should exist.

Install xp and programs as normal to your first partition and set it all up. Use the BOOTitNG maintenance mode to do a disk image of xp. Store the disk image on partition 3. Then do a FULL format or a COMPLETE wipe on your first partition, Then install vista and programs as normal on partition 1 (the idea behind the full format/wipe is so that the vista install will not pick up any trace of a previous OS.... you want it to believe it's the only one).

Then recall your xp disk image and install it to your second partition. You have changed the location of xp so you will have to use vista to open the xp boot.ini file and change the partition indicator number from 1 to 2.

Then install and set up your boot manager. You will now have 2 COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT OS's on the same drive.... each one believing that it is on drive C while running.

I have multiple drives and I keep my mail and personal data on "drive D". On both OS's (vista ultimate and xp) I have drive D denoted as such and each version of microsoft outlook on each respective OS will look at and share the same mail folder.... in other words, I can switch OS's but still use the same mail folder. The same is true for my "My Documents" folder.

One note on the boot manager install: Vista tends to be sensitive to boot managers that install and run prior to it, so after the boot manger install, you MAY have to run the vista repair console to reestablish a proper boot.

dieu · Post by **dieu** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:57 pm

ummmmm.... why go down the path of dual boot unless you want to play games that dont work on vista...

All you need to do is:

¡E Install MS Virtual PC 2007
¡E Install XP inside the Virtual PC.
NB: The partition (which is a file on vista) grows to the size of XP and other installed apps on XP.
¡E Share out a video folder in your vista.
¡E Install MediaStudio Pro 8 on the XP...
Save all MediaStudio Pro 8 files on the Shared Partition of Vista.

There is no need to reboot between OS...
Virtual PC will save the state (frozen system of XP) allows for fast loading like hibination.
No need to reload MediaStudio Pro and the project as it was open while the State was saved.
Drag files between Vista and XP like with windows.
Virtual PC - XP files are portable meaning you can backup to DVD... easy to restore (just make sure when copying from DVD to HD again that you turn off read only on all of the files)

Many +++++ with the Virtual PC.

but Dual boot requires alot of shutdown and restarts... >.<

I know the path I'll be using.

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:08 pm

dieu wrote: I know the path I'll be using.

I know my path, as well. No Vista: no problem

neonbob · Post by **neonbob** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:28 pm

dieu wrote:ummmmm.... why go down the path of dual boot unless you want to play games that dont work on vista...

All you need to do is:

¡E Install MS Virtual PC 2007
¡E Install XP inside the Virtual PC.

That works for games and other simple programs, but for more complex programs that presently don't work on Vista (Avid Liquid 7 for example) you have to run dual boot.

I will say though... I've been running Vista Ultimate (64bit) for some time now and the times that I require booting over to XP are becoming fewer and fewer.

Vista boots up a HECK of a lot faster than XP ever did and the error logging is MUCH more detailed than XP.

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:30 am

Has anyone here run a virtual machine before?

Usually USB 2.0 & Firewire hardware devices are not supported.
USB 1 may be supported, but the virtual machines emulate the hardware.
I doubt you will be able to capture via firewire or write back to tape.

Better off with 2 computers and/or Multi-Boot.
Competitors of MS use a central server (usually Linux based with SCSI harddisks) that shares the MS_XP OS over the network to diskless workstations. The workstations boot via BootP protocol which is the network card. So everything is done over the network and the guest workstatiions harddisk doesn't need to exist or can be used for local storage. Most workstations don't have a harddisk, storage is on the server.
Point is the companies that write this software speciaize in virtualization, these are MS competitors.

dieu · Post by **dieu** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:10 am

Have you tried the Ulead Capture program... It seems to work on Vista.

Also, there is another product out that supports usb2.

VMWare Workstation ($189 >.<) support for usb2:
http://www.vmware.com/products/desktop/workstation.html

Free version of Vmware (not sure how they work):
http://www.vmware.com/products/free_virtualization.html

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:52 am

neonbob

The partioning of a hard drive to provide a multi-boot system is a good method. I prefer however to use where possible seperate physical hard drives. The reason is that if the physical hard drive itself gets damaged you lose everything.

I realise not everyone can afford to purchase additional hard drives and so thank you for mentioning a viable alternative.

dieu
Regarding the system within a system. Whilst I have not and do not intend to install a Vista System and then try running a copy of XP from within it. I have in the past used other emulators that claim to emulate the old computers like commodore 64, Atari and the like. The purpose being to play the old classic games such as Pac-man, space-invaders and the like.

To be honest, whilst they did work to a degree they were nowhere near the 'real thing.' I cannot forsee an emulated operating system being any different from those emulators I have mentioned above.

Time will tell and I would only be too happy to hear feedback from those brave enough to give it a shot.

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:55 am

dieu,
You could use that program, capture under vista via firewire.
Switch to the virtual machine & import the videos to the virtual machine.

In the end your better off with 2 computer systems, one XP & the other Vista connected together via a gigibit network.

troppo · Post by **troppo** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:21 am

Good thinking Dieu,
I plan on using this method, but via Parallels on the Mac to keep running MSP8 on XP on Mac

Yet to see if all devices are supported, but initial testing looks positive.

jpal · Post by **jpal** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:31 pm

Thanks to everyone for the insights. I'd like to report on some results of a machine/OS upgrade plus running virtual machines. I've had to do this because my old machine was unreliable and "only" had single core and 2G RAM. I wanted to run MSP8 on my new machine as it's my main edit platform & I love it. Also looked at Vegas and Premier as part of the upgrade.

I have chosen to run on XP 64 bit, on a quad core 8G RAM machine. With the intel price cuts and current memory prices this is NOT expensive (around $2k). Now the good news: MSP8 runs just fine thank you very much (as do VS11, Vegas and Premier - the driver & app support is now pretty good, there were only a few problems). But for me, there is no need to change my edit platform, and Vista appears an irrelevance to me.

I'm also running a number of virtual machines on the (free) MS virtual PC, and also VMWare desktop. This is capable of running XP32 bit, Vista, Linux and Windows Server. There is a version of VMWare (Fusion) that runs on intel macs.

What I wanted to point out about these virtual machines is that they are NOT emulations, they are virtualisations supported in the hardware and capable of running on 1 or 2 cores (with VMware). This means that they are running apps at full speed (given the cores and memory you choose to throw at them). The fidelity is so absolute that it is quite easy to get a bit spooked about what environment you're actually in.

Please let me know if you have any experiences yourself or if you'd like more details.

Regards

John Baker

troppo · Post by **troppo** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:43 am

Good insight John.
I have had my Macbook Pro now for a while and can say am very happy with the machine and it's ability to let me run whatever I want on whatever platform I want without sacrificing performance. I ended up going with VMware Fusion, as parallels was too buggy.
I do find however, it is still best to boot into my boot camp XP partition for any serious processor work, as the task of running 2 OS simultaneously makes my laptop very warm!!
The best part is that VMware uses my bootcamp partition, so any files I create in MSP8 using bootcamp, can be dragged and dropped into OSX for editing with final cut pro or vice versa!
I'm in computer nerd heaven!

jpal · Post by **jpal** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:33 am

Nerd heaven indeed. I wouldn't recommend this stuff for the average user, but I guess most in this forum have had to become semi-nerds out of necessity.

I guess whether to go for dual boot or virtual is probably associated with the amount of memory & cores available. Sounds like you've got an ideal set up for a portable platform.

VMware is certainly a superior platform to virtual PC. I've managed to get a Wacom tablet working via a serial port on an XP 32 bit virtual machine because there are no drivers for XP64. Also captures USB ports which is handy for a nikon coolscan IV I have which also has no 64 bit drivers.

Would be interested to know how Fusion works on the mac if you have any feedback on that.

Regards John Baker

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