The end of Media Studio??

PJH · Post by **PJH** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:06 pm

It looks like this is the end of Media Studio. Pity, I thought it was a great programme.

http://www.arnnet.com.au/index.php/id;3 ... p;2;fpid;1

Peter.

jday · Post by **jday** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:29 pm

I think many of us could see this coming, but this appears to be the first "official" word that the two programs are almost history. I think it's great that Corel is adding some extra features to their lower level products, but they will still not match the capabilities of MSP or DVD Workshop or other more profefssional products. For me, I guess it's time to switch to Premiere Pro CS3.

WesleyS · Post by **WesleyS** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:58 pm

My glass is half-empty. Corel betrayed us. I will newer buy any Corel's product.

WelseyS

neonbob · Post by **neonbob** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:05 pm

Well, it was pretty predictable. MSP never did really make it in the Pro industry, and Ulead has always been more or less geared to the simple hobbyist/consumer. It just wasn't making the money.

rs02931 · Post by **rs02931** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:13 pm

WELLLLLLLL MSP should last me till I can learn Speededit by NewTek.....I started with Video Toaster in 1987......guess it will be back to NewTek. they always had great tech support............But this forum and Charlie Hills "Getting Results in Msp" could never be beat.

neonbob · Post by **neonbob** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:25 pm

rs02931 wrote:WELLLLLLLL MSP should last me till I can learn Speededit by NewTek.....I started with Video Toaster in 1987......guess it will be back to NewTek. they always had great tech support............But this forum and Charlie Hills "Getting Results in Msp" could never be beat.

I would look at Sony Vegas.... I got into it a while ago and it works very well. But the great part is that they're coming out with a 64 bit edition towards the end of this year. A 64bit editor on a 64 bit system should be pretty bloody fast. A bit more expensive than speed edit, but then more advanced (speed edit is still pretty new and does not have things like DD5.1 sound edit...etc.)

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:08 am

Right, and the real reason was that Ulead's marketing was inept when it came to marketing products to professionals.

It had nothing to do with the quality of the product.

What really stunned me -- when I worked for Ulead as a consultant -- was to visit their Los Angeles offices and learn how ignorant *some* of the higher-level Ulead marketing gurus were about the strengths of their own product.

They really didn't understand their own product.

Don't get me wrong; there were some very decent product managers in Los Angeles (such as Travis and Brent).

But a couple of the higher-up marketing folks, in my opinion, are to blame for this product's death.

That's why MediaStudio Pro failed to gain traction in the professional world.

WEAK MARKETING.

Of course, Corel also knows that the money is made on the consumer products.

I'll be buying Apple Final Cut Pro... on a Mac!

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

neonbob wrote:Well, it was pretty predictable. MSP never did really make it in the Pro industry, and Ulead has always been more or less geared to the simple hobbyist/consumer. It just wasn't making the money.

neonbob · Post by **neonbob** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:44 am

Jerry Jones wrote:
It had nothing to do with the quality of the product.

I would agree with that completely. MSP is (or was) a good product, and if marketing was properly pushed and MSP advanced with the technology then who knows. What ever the case maybe... in the end it was simply not recognized as a pro product.

On another note...I would be careful with FCP... do your research carefully. I know a few that have gone that route only to be a bit disappointed (I have never tried it so this is all third hand info). FCP seems to be a little over-hyped.... and there are quite a few bugs. It also lacks things like DD5.1 editing (the last time I heard anyway.)

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:15 am

From my experience as a Police Officer who has attended various incidents and then read about them in the newspaper I had to ask myself several times if the incident I had previously attended was the same one being reported in the news.

You cannot believe everything that gets written. Things get twisted turned and buttered up.

I recall whilst at school we heard a story about a General in a war in the days before radio. They relied upon messengers on horseback.
he told the first messenger to pass on a message "Send reinforcements we are going to advance" The first messenger had to pass this onto to a second who would pass it onto a third etc.

At the other end of the line the message now read
"Send four and sixpence we're going to a dance."

Firstly I would be very surprised if anyone in a management position at any profit making company would boldly announce "We are discontinuing this product"
Instead they have two options.
1. Sit on their copyright so that at some time in the future they can resurrect the product in the light of the ever changing circumstances and state of the market.
2. Sell. They can offer the copyright to someone else - perhaps the highest bidder.

If Corel have decided to shelve (not discontinue) the products it is because they are making a loss. They have to take into account development costs against anticipated profit margins.

I for one will be taking that report with a pinch of salt.

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:24 am

Well, Corel has apparently removed the MediaStudio Pro product from the Corel Web site.

Corel has also apparently removed DVD Workshop and Cool 3D Production Studio.

Looks pretty grim to me.

Do you have any ***inside*** information to suggest otherwise?

Or are you just guessing like the rest of us?

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

sjj1805 wrote:I for one will be taking that report with a pinch of salt.

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:27 am

Every Final Cut user with whom I am acquainted has nothing but good to say about it, including my brother.

Sorry, but he's not running into any bugs in Apple Final Cut Pro.

And that program has far more professional market penetration than Sony Vegas.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

neonbob wrote:On another note...I would be careful with FCP... do your research carefully. I know a few that have gone that route only to be a bit disappointed (I have never tried it so this is all third hand info). FCP seems to be a little over-hyped.... and there are quite a few bugs. It also lacks things like DD5.1 editing (the last time I heard anyway.)

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:41 am

Jerry Jones wrote:Well, Corel has apparently removed the MediaStudio Pro product from the Corel Web site.

Corel has also apparently removed DVD Workshop and Cool 3D Production Studio.

Looks pretty grim to me.

Do you have any ***inside*** information to suggest otherwise?

Or are you just guessing like the rest of us?

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

sjj1805 wrote:I for one will be taking that report with a pinch of salt.

They are ALL listed on the Ulead Website
MediaStudio is shown here to the right of VideoStudio
http://www.ulead.com/runme.htm

ALL of the above products are listed here
http://www.ulead.com/products/runme.htm

Going Deeper,
How many of the Ulead product range appears in this list of products on the Intervideo site?
http://www.intervideo.com/jsp/Downloads.jsp

Conversely how many of those Intervideo products appear on the Ulead site
http://www.ulead.com/store/store.htm

To say that MediaStudio, DVD Workshop and Cool 3D production studio are not on the Corel site amounts to nothing more than scaremongering.

In fact how many Corel products appear on the Ulead and/or Intervideo sites?

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:01 am

I disagree, Steve.

Corel has acquired Ulead and InterVideo.

Ulead and Intervideo have not acquired Corel.

Therefore, it seems rather logical that all Corel-acquired products -- including the Ulead and the InterVideo products -- will eventually be re-branded as Corel products.

As anybody with any marketing experience will tell you, multiple brands can lead to consumer confusion.

Moreover, I find your comment about journalists to be curious.

Did you know that I, as a journalist, witnessed all manner of dishonesty, immorality and even stunning examples of vicious criminality by *some* police officers?

In fact, I covered many such stories.

All professions have bad apples.

Food for thought.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

sjj1805 wrote:To say that MediaStudio, DVD Workshop and Cool 3D production studio are not on the Corel site amounts to nothing more than scaremongering.

Gorf · Post by **Gorf** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:04 am

PJH wrote:It looks like this is the end of Media Studio. Pity, I thought it was a great programme.

http://www.arnnet.com.au/index.php/id;3 ... p;2;fpid;1

I'm so sorry to hear your MSP has stopped working. Mine is still working fine, and (as far as I can tell) will continue to do so until I change operating system.

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:13 am

Jerry there is no need to start getting personal.
I said this is not a knock at you and yes there are bad apples in the Police.
There are also corrupt Government Officials and so on.

I do NOT intend to get into a public slanging match, I have NOT insulted you, or if you feel I have then my apologies. I am making the point that you cannot believe everything you read in a newspaper, magazine or website.

I do not intend to debate this any further.
It is up to our forum members to make their own minds up about what they wish to believe or disbelieve about rumours.

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