Corel Web Site Now Features DVD WORKSHOP 2

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:50 am

http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/ ... 7441134081

Careful, however.

I've removed this product from my computer as it conflicted with Corel VideoStudio 11 here.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:44 am

Jerry
I have VideoStudio 11+ and also DVD Workshop 2 happily installed together.
See my signature below to see what I have installed on the same machine at the same time.

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 8:55 pm

sjj1805 wrote:Jerry
I have VideoStudio 11+ and also DVD Workshop 2 happily installed together.
See my signature below to see what I have installed on the same machine at the same time.

John,

1. Please explain how you kept the "common files" of DVD Workshop 2 from being overwritten by VideoStudio 11 Plus (if you installed VdieoStudio 11 Plus last).

...or...

2. Please explain how you kept the "common files" of VideoStudio 11 Plus from being overwritten by DVD Workshop 2 (if you installed DVD Workshop 2 last).

As I've written previously, these applications conflict here.

Specifically, the patch files for DVD Workshop 2 fail to stop the notorious SUBTITLE TRUNCATION BUG in DVD Workshop 2 ***if*** VideoStudio 11 Plus is installed last.

...or...

Specifically, the IMPORT FROM DVD CAPTURE PLUG-IN in VideoStudio 11 Plus is broken --- results in an "unspecified error" message -- ***if*** DVD Workshop 2 is installed last.

That's precisely how they interfere with each other here on my test machine... which features an absolutely clean installation of Microsoft Windows XP Home.

Multiple tests here.

Same result.

How did you avoid this???

Pray tell.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:34 pm

My name is Steve.
I didn't do anything other than simply install.
DVD workshop 2 has been on my system for quite some time.
I Installed VideoStudio 11+ as soon as I was supplied with a copy shortly before public release. didn't do anything out of the ordinary - simply ran the installation program.

DVD workshop 2 is working fine, in fact I authored 3 DVD's with it this past couple of days.

Regarding the fail to import from DVD I have previously posted a fix here:

Fix: Import DVD (VOB) Files DMF/VS/MSP

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:49 pm

Steve,

I'm sorry, but my question remains unanswered.

I'll ask it again.

Since you've now revealed that you have installed DVD Workshop 2 *first* and VideoStudio 11 *last,* can you check your SUBTITLE FUNCTIONALITY now in DVD Workshop 2?

I suspect you'll find that the PREVIEWS of SUBTITLES are now broken; you'll see the dreaded SUBTITLE TRUNCATION bug, I'll wager.

To check, just drag and drop any clip to your DVD Workshop 2 timeline and then enter the subtitle menu and then apply a subtitle and you will see that the subtitle -- after being entered -- TRUNCATES.

This is fixed when you apply the DVD Workshop 2 patches, but when one installs VideoStudio 11 Plus, the patch files are overwritten and the bug returns.

Please check.

I suspect you'll verify what I have already observed.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

sjj1805 wrote:My name is Steve.
I didn't do anything other than simply install.
DVD workshop 2 has been on my system for quite some time.
I Installed VideoStudio 11+ as soon as I was supplied with a copy shortly before public release. didn't do anything out of the ordinary - simply ran the installation program.

DVD workshop 2 is working fine, in fact I authored 3 DVD's with it this past couple of days.

Regarding the fail to import from DVD I have previously posted a fix here:

Fix: Import DVD (VOB) Files DMF/VS/MSP

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:20 am

Have you tried this link:
FAQ: Unable to display subtitles in preview Window

By the way I did your test, here are some screen shots.

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:38 am

You see, your last screen shot shows the wrong preview window -- this is not the "add/edit subtitle preview window" -- and the fact that a subtitle appears there is not relevant to my previous post.

The screen shot you posted prior to that -- the "add/edit subtitles" preview window itself -- is the window to which my previous post referred.

Note how that preview window shows no subtitles nor any of their positions.

That's not the way the screen should function and your image appears to prove that your subtitles are being truncated on that screen.

They're being truncated because the patch files for DVD Workshop 2 are overwritten by the installation of VideoStudio 11 Plus.

Your link references an old, inaccurate forum thread, which contains comments by some individuals who have...

a. never understood the subtitle truncation bug;

b. never understood that the patch files that supposedly fix this bug are overwritten by subsequent installations of certain newer Ulead DVD authoring programs.

Regards,

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:13 am

You mean this screen?

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:39 pm

Jerry,
I have pondered upon your problem and you are of the opinion that the problem lies in the Common Files folder.

If I was faced with this problem I would bypass the common files folder.
I know you are very knowledgeable in Video Applications but I do not know the level of your knowledge of computer programs in general and so I do not mean to offend by anything I suggest here. I am only outlining the steps I would follow to attempt to rectify the issue myself.

Firstly a quick mention about PATHS.
Many computer programs are built up of lots of smaller tiny routines that perform a certain task - such as opening a file, importing a DVD, generating sound and so on. Because the code to perform these tasks remains the same for many programs, rather than a programmer writing it all again, that particular task or function is placed into a small sub-routine of its own. The main program then calls that sub-routine when it wants to perform that particular function.

These tasks or sub-routines are generally saved with a dll file extension
(Dynamic Link Libraries). Often they are found in the Windows/System and the Windows/System32 directory but also appear in the Windows/Program Files/Common files directory. In fact they can appear anywhere providing the Windows PATH statement has been updated to include the location where they are to be found.

What happens next is that a program may call one of those dll files.
The first place it will look is in the folder where that particular program is located. If it cannot find it then it checks all of the other folders listed in the Windows PATH Statement.

OK lesson over. Now for my suggestion.
I take it that currently VideoStudio is working fine but DVD Workshop has the subtitle problem.

1. Create a Windows Restore Point.
2. Rename the folder C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ulead Systems to
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ulead SystemsX
3. Run the DVD Workshop patch dws2patch5_e.exe
4. Now (If I am correct) it will have created a new folder
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ulead Systems
5. Copy/paste those files to
c:\Program Files\Ulead Systems\Ulead DVD Workshop 2
6. Delete the 'New' folder C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ulead Systems
7. Return the original folder C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ulead SystemsX
back to its original name.

I hope this helps.

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:48 pm

Yes, that's the screen, but you are evidently doing something to make the subtitles appear and I would be curious to know what you did; perhaps you followed the relatively complex set of steps that you just posted, but I know you had to have done something because I've tested this multiple times and I know what I'm talking about.

For the average user, these programs conflict with each other.

You see, I can also get the subtitles to appear ***until*** I install other Ulead applications with DVD authoring, including Ulead VideoStudio 11 Plus.

Ulead VideoStudio 11 Plus, upon installation, overwrites the common files here on my system.

Prior to installation of Ulead VideoStudio 11 Plus, the subtitles in DVD Workshop 2 do not truncate.

Immediately after installation of VideoStudio 11 Plus, the subtitles truncate.

I'll read through your list of suggestions, but -- frankly -- I think Ulead has screwed up here and I shouldn't have to go through a complex routine to get basic functionality.

In other words, I do feel Ulead has made a huge mistake.

Nevertheless, I'll read through your tips and decide if I want to risk another disaster on my computer, which is now working fine ***without*** DVD Workshop 2.

But I'll promise you one thing.

If you install DVD Workshop 2 ***after*** you install VideoStudio 11 Plus, you'll find out that the "IMPORT FROM DVD/DVD-VR" capture plug-in in VideoStudio 11 Plus will no longer function.

Why?

Same reason.

The Ulead "common files" are being overwritten.

I don't think the software customer should have to suffer through the relatively complex instructions you've posted.

In addition, I really doubt I'm going to try your list of steps at this point.

Why?

Because I've tested this installation problem multiple times on an absolutely clean installation of Windows XP Home and I've verified it and I can verify it for any Ulead engineer who has the guts to listen.

I'm tired of messing around with it.

Regards,

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net

sjj1805 wrote:You mean this screen?

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:05 am

Here is the fix.

I managed to replicate the problem on my back up computer and spent a couple of hours investigating it. The following link is to a zip file.
Unzip the files to this location:

C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ulead Systems\DVD

You will now find that your sub titles will display correctly in DVD workshop 2 and also you will be able to import DVD's using
VideoStudio and MovieFactory and also MediaStudio.

http://www.driveway.com/keqxe84023

I will report this to Ulead in due course.

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:32 am

I remember remonstrating with the Ulead developers, during beta testing (not sure which application, but possibly MSP7 or 8 or WS2) about the use of excessive use of common files. I recall stating very clearly that each application should have its own exclusive set of DLLs in its own directory, even if it means having the same files n times in different directories. The notion of common files is a throwback to the times when disk space was at a premium. Nowadays, this is no longer the case: just do a search for "common" and be surprised how many directories you turn up where they are used, including for many applications, such as suites, with more than program used. Even one of my printer drivers has common files for HPLJ and Postscript apps. It is sloppy programming.

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:20 am

Copy of my email to Ulead for information.

This problem was first brought to my notice by Jerry Jones ¡V former Consultant for Ulead.
I was able to confirm his findings on my own machine and spent some 2 hours investigating the cause and I have managed to resolve the problem.

The problem.
This will only affect users who have DVD Workshop 2 installed on their computers and so if it is decided to post a ¡¥fix¡¦
(I have supplied a fix below!) then it will only be necessary to post this for DVD Workshop 2 users.

A problem existed with the initial release of DVD Workshop whereby subtitles did not display on the preview screen.
This was address with the release of a patch dws2patch5_e.exe

It has been found that the patch affects the ¡¥Import from DVD¡¦ routines affecting
VideoStudio
MovieFactory
MediaStudio Pro

If One of the above 3 programs is installed before DVD Workshop then
After the Workshop patch has been installed the Import from DVD functions of those problems results in an ¡¥Unspecified error¡¦

If DVD Workshop is installed first then installation of the above programs causes the subtitles issue to return.
They do not display on the preview screen.

The fix.
I spent a couple of hours methodically replacing the dll files that the DVD workshop patch installs/over writes to the
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ulead Systems Directories.
The sub-directory where the problem causes this conflict is
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ulead Systems\DVD

Specifically this file from the patch causes the Import from DVD process to fail
LXDVDParser.dll

As I was replacing each file one at a time alphabetically until VideoStudio displayed this error, I restored the copy of
LXDVDParser.dll to its pre-patched state and confirmed that the Import from DVD function worked.

I then checked DVD Workshop and confirmed that the subtitles were still correctly displayed on the preview screen.
I then double checked that the import from DVD functions of MovieFactory and MediaStudio still worked correctly.

I have made available the following short zip file that addresses the problem so that all 4 programs now work as they should.
This zip file can be found here and should be unzipped to C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ulead Systems\DVD

http://www.driveway.com/keqxe84023 (New link 15Aug2007)

One further item of note is I have installed VideoStudio 11+ on 3 of my systems to confirm an earlier problem which I reported to yourself relating to the Import from DVD routine. This perhaps also needs to be addressed should you release a patch.

VideoStudio 11+ and also MovieFactory 6+ install a fresh copy of h264vdechpdll.dll this also causes an error message to appear when attempting to import from DVD, replacing this with an earlier version rectifies this issue. The version I replaced it with can be found here:
Edited 15Aug2007:
Due to problems with Filewind and also MediaMax here is an alternative link
H264VDecHPDll.dll

This should be unzipped to here:
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ulead Systems\MPEG

Regards
Steve Jones

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:24 pm

Pity you didn't add a sentence about the iniquity of using common files. As I said above, it no longer has a raison d'être and is sloppy programming in today's context.

I remember a suite I bought a few years ago (and it happened to be a Corel product), which had a bad bug in one application A. I applied a patch which cured the bug - but rendered every other app unworkable. The developer who was responsible for A altered a common file, passed on the re-worked dll to the PM who incorporated it as is in the patch and no one thought about testing the lot with apps B, C, D and E. Was his face red? This was how I learnt about the iniquity of common files.

Jerry Jones · Post by **Jerry Jones** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:30 pm

Steve, thanks for sending this info to Corel (Ulead).

Agree with Brian.

I think this "common files" issue needs to be reviewed and reformed by Corel's (Ulead's) programmers.

It makes no sense for a software company to release products that conflict with each other as it would seem to penalize/antagonize loyal customers.

So -- if I were still consulting for Ulead -- I'd be writing this up as Steve has done.

To be fair, Ulead's programmers -- in past years -- worked fairly quickly to resolve some major bugs in previous versions of MediaStudio Pro and other software.

But I was surprised to find out how many major bugs made it into the finished products.

One example would be the horrible Sony DCR-VX1000 32-bit DV audio bug.

Somehow, MediaStudio Pro 6 made it to final release without being compatible with the 32-bit DV audio of the Sony DCR-VX1000... one of the most popular DV camcorders ever sold.

I shudder when I guess how many potential Ulead customers were lost when they inserted such audio files into their timelines only to discover a horrible "digital screeching" noise when scrubbing and rendering DCR-VX1000 audio.

(The Sony DCR-VX1000 only had the 32-bit audio recording option; no 16-bit capability.)

It took several weeks, but I was so happy when the Ulead guys finally resolved the issue in the version 7 release.

There was a lot of back and forth testing.

I think Brian may have been in on some of those e-mail exchanges.

But this common files thing -- I really do hope they'll visit this issue and keep it from happening in the future.

Thanks again, Steve.

Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net