Unable to encode Video with VS11 and Canon HV20

Ballistix · Post by **Ballistix** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:58 am

Hi guys, just had to upgrade for my new Canon HV20.

A problem I'm getting when trying to create an HD-DVD file. I've imported some test movie footage from my camera, capturing is no problem. However when I try and encode it with the option PAL HD-DVD 1920 it gets about 3% in then failes with the error "Unable to encode video" and then stops.

Any ideas? It works for the 1440 option, but I have a Sony Pearl waiting downstairs for the 1920!

Hope someone can help!
Thanks
Tony

neonbob · Post by **neonbob** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 2:07 pm

Why are you trying to upconvert to 1920 in the first place? The native resolution for HDV as well as the HV20 is 1440. You won't see an increase in quality. HD is 1920, when you upconvert, you are no longer in the HDV field.

Ballistix · Post by **Ballistix** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:14 pm

Oh, my mistake, my projector is 1920x1080 so I assumed that's what I needed...just to be clear then 1920x1080 is True HD isnt it? Therefore the Canon being 1440x1080 isn't?

T

neonbob · Post by **neonbob** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:42 pm

Ballistix wrote:Oh, my mistake, my projector is 1920x1080 so I assumed that's what I needed...just to be clear then 1920x1080 is True HD isnt it? Therefore the Canon being 1440x1080 isn't?

T

The standard that has been adopted is HDV which is 1440x1080. There is only ONE hd cam that shoots (sort of) 1920x1080... the JVC HD7 (and it's not even really true 1920) Even the high end pro cams are standard HDV.

Ballistix · Post by **Ballistix** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:02 pm

OK thanks will play...now having trouble getitng PS3 and Xbox360 to play them without stutter on 360 and black screen on PS3...will post separate question!

Ballistix · Post by **Ballistix** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:40 pm

Hi, OK, been doing more research. My HV20 is True HD 1920x1080. It does 25p frame rate cinema mode too. My projector is True HD 1920x1080p and so is the PS3. So, why can't I take it off at 1920x1080p with Ulead, take it through the production process, and then create a 1920x1080 resolution mpg at the end of it? What am I missing? :S

T

Ballistix · Post by **Ballistix** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:55 pm

I tell you what I think this is, it's VideoStudio not able to capture at 1920x1080. Can someone please confirm whether it can or not?
Thanks
T

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:53 am

All your questions can be answered if you search the VS forum.
This is only one post, there are many more. Also learn how to use VS through the tutorials.

http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... 301#106301

You can read many posts related to HD Video & the PS3, as Neonbob says it's best to stay with HDV 1440x1080i. You can render to 1920x1080i also but this requires re-rendering the video.

The settings below are for VS10+, if your using VS11+ and cannot set the project settings as below then contact tech support. You can make it work in VS11+ by setting Preferences (F6) and "Display notice when inserting first video into timeline" = ON. After you capture the box will be displayed as such, or insert your captured videos when starting a new project.

VideoStudio 10+:
When working with HD-Mpeg2 or ANY Video using VS10+ always make you project settings equal to your source video settings.
Example taken from a Sony - HC3 (HDV Unit):
Project Settings: Ulead Video Tab: Perform Non-Square Pixel Rendering = ON, Audio Channels = Stereo
Project Settings: General Tab: Frame Rate = 29.97(Ntsc) 25(Pal), Frame Type = Upper Field First (UFF), Frame Size = 1440x1080
Project Settings: Compression Tab = Media Type = Mpeg2, Quality=70-100, Video_Data_Rate=Constant 25000kbs, Audio type=Stereo/48000hz,384kbs

Ballistix · Post by **Ballistix** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:33 am

Hi there, thanks for the reply, really appreciate it. However, I want to do 1920x1080p. That's why I bought the cameara and my projector. I've found a way to tell VideoStudio to capture at 1920x1080 but in the "information" windows at the bottom of the capture screen it is still saying 1440x1080. I know that the camera has recorded the film at 1920x1080/25 cinema mode.

How can I make this work? Thanks in advance. (I've also set bitrate to constant and 25000 mpbs)

Cheers

T

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:15 pm

Hi there, thanks for the reply, really appreciate it. However, I want to do 1920x1080p. That's why I bought the cameara and my projector. I've found a way to tell VideoStudio to capture at 1920x1080 but in the "information" windows at the bottom of the capture screen it is still saying 1440x1080. I know that the camera has recorded the film at 1920x1080/25 cinema mode.

If VS11+ is reading the file as 1440 and the file is true 1920 this will not work. Right_Click on the file in the timeline and select "Properties", post the properties video/audio back to this thread. I have also experienced the same error you are having in Vs10 & VS11. Try "Share -> Same as project settings" (disable smart_render).

NeonBob Wrote: Why are you trying to upconvert to 1920 in the first place? The native resolution for HDV as well as the HV20 is 1440. You won't see an increase in quality. HD is 1920, when you upconvert, you are no longer in the HDV field.

Bob sounds correct in this he also has a HV20 I believe. I would think if the video is on the tape as 1920 then the file after being captured needs to be assigned and marked as 1920, otherwise you will have aspect ratio and other problems. HighDefinition starts at 720p according to the HD specs. I'm not sure if VS11+ is working correctly or VS11+ will not work correctly with the HV20 shooting outside of the standard HDV 1440 mode.

You can also try this, after you set your project properties to 1920x1080i etc then goto "Share -> Create Video File -> "Same As Project Settings" -> Options -> Turn OFF Smart_Rendering.
I would try smart_rendering both on & off. I think you may need to turn this feature off to restore the correct framesize if the file is true 1920. But as far as I can tell it's really the aspect ratio, PAR (Pixel Aspect Ratio) that may give you a problem. The resulant file may/may not be geometrically the same as the source video.

I wonder what the files are captured at using HDVSplit, or if HDVSplit can even capture the video recorded in that mode.

Ballistix · Post by **Ballistix** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:53 pm

Hi, yeah well it seems that either Canon is breaking the fair trades act here by not marketing the product as 1440x1080 and saying it's True HD 1920x1080.

As far as I can also see, having read more up, the DV tape format simply can't store anything over 1440x1080 and that's the best you'll get. So even though the Canon HV20 as a 1920x1080 CMOS it can't record at that. I think that Canon is breaking the UK trade descriptions act by doing this. I'm going to call them Monday to see what they say.

It's still a stunning picture but I don't think I'm going to get my 1920x1080 true hd recordings...

T

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:18 pm

Hi, yeah well it seems that either Canon is breaking the fair trades act here by not marketing the product as 1440x1080 and saying it's True HD 1920x1080. As far as I can also see, having read more up, the DV tape format simply can't store anything over 1440x1080 and that's the best you'll get. So even though the Canon HV20 as a 1920x1080 CMOS it can't record at that. I think that Canon is breaking the UK trade descriptions act by doing this. I'm going to call them Monday to see what they say.
It's still a stunning picture but I don't think I'm going to get my 1920x1080 true hd recordings...

The Canon HV20 has a true 1920x1080 CCD and takes pictures at full 1920 res along with 1440/1920 framesize for recording. To top that off it also records at different frame rates.

Your problem could be the software or not knowing the format/software well enough yet, after all you are still learning with this new cam. It takes awhile to learn all this new technology.
I would try some other software to capture with and compare the results to VS11+.
I've read reviews on the HV20 camcorder and they are all positive.

I would download HDVSplit, capture some video with it and then insert the video into VS11+. Then check the video/audio parameters. You need something else to compare VS11+ capturing with. It's possible that VS11+ is reading the file incorrectly. VS11+ may only capture 1440 and that's it.

Ballistix · Post by **Ballistix** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:55 am

Hi, thanks for the reply. I've tried HDV Split and FFDSHOW and they are also capturing at 1440x1080. Any advice on how to set this up? I've looked through FFDShow and it's very complex. But the point is that by default it's picking it up at 1440 not 1920 so I think it's the camera and my earlier point. It has a 1920 CMOS but it can't record at that resolution....very naughty of Canon, I'm yet to be proven wrong and will contact them tomorrow! If anyone knows how to do this I'd love to know!

T

jmone · Post by **jmone** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 11:55 am

I have a HV20, while it has a True 1920x1080 CMOS sensor:

1) The the 1080 HDV spec is 1440x1080 (Anamorphic). The Canon's image processing chip coverts the 1920x1080 signal into a 1440x1080 (Anamorphic) format for storage on tape as per the spec.

2) You can output 1920x1080 resolution over the HDMI port (to a TV or a third party recoding device like Intensity capture card http://blackmagic-design.com/products/

Nathan

Ballistix · Post by **Ballistix** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:51 pm

Ah, OK clarity at last! Thanks for this. Not very practical though if you are out and about with the camera though. But this is clear. Thanks Jmone.

T