File Sizes

chamlin · Post by **chamlin** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 7:21 am

After using DVDXpressDX2 to transfer VHS family videos to my hard drive, when I try to convert a 2 hour video mpg (3GB) to a DVD to play on a regular TV/DVD player, the file ends up being around 7GB and won't fit on a DVD.

Is this unusual?

Even a 15 minute segment ended up being around a GB.

Thanks,
Bruce

Post by **Ken Berry** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:20 am

What are the exact properties of the file you captured? (Right click on the file within VS and copy them here, pls.)

And what are the project properties you used? If, for instance, you used the default settings, it uses high quality settings, and it would be understandable if it got to (more than) twice the size of the original since using the high quality settings will fit only one hour on a single layer DVD.

To ensure the same settings as the original are used throughout, in VS File > Preferences, tick 'show message when first video clip inserted in timeline'. Then, when you start a new project and insert the first captured clip, you will be asked if you want the project properties to match those of the file. Say OK.

Then, when you have finished editing, go to Share > Create Video File > Save as Project Properties (or Same as First Video Clip). This will produce a new mpeg-2 with the same settings as the original and presumably roughly the same size. SmartRender will be used so only those parts which have been edited will be affected.

In the burning module, ensure 'do not convert compliant mpeg files' is ticked in the Project Settings icon in the bottom left of the burning screen.

DVDDoug · Post by **DVDDoug** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:46 pm

File size is determined by the combined audio & video bitrate and the playing time. The bitrate is measured in kbps (kilobits per second) and this can be converted to Gigabyres per hour.

Here's FREE online Bitrate Calculator.

Quoting myself

DVDdoug wrote:The DVD standard does not set a fixed level of compression -

Higher bitrate = higher quality = bigger file size = lower compression = less playing time.

Lower bitrate = lower quality = smaller file size = higher compression = more playing time.

A good "rule-of-thumb" is 90 minutes per DVD. You can get that with a 6000k bitrate and Dolby AC3 audio. This bitrate is typical of commercal DVDs (The DVD spec allows video bitrates up to about 9,800k, and up to about 10,000k combined audio & video.)

chamlin · Post by **chamlin** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:56 am

Ken Berry wrote:What are the exact properties of the file you captured? (Right click on the file within VS and copy them here, pls.)

And what are the project properties you used?

Here are the specs for the transferred video, before editing into a vsp file.

File Size: 3,149,758
Duration: 8337 Seconds

Video type: mpeg-2
Total frames: 249,870
Attributes: 24 bits, 720x480, 4:3
Frame rate: 29.970 frames/sec.
Data Rate: Variable bit rate (Max. 8000kbps)

Audio bitrate: 224kbps

2 hours 19 minutes

Post by **Ken Berry** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:12 am

I am sorry, but those properties look more like the default project properties which would give you the sort of size you have obtained after editing.

That is because of the bitrate, which at 8000 kbps, is a high quality setting which, with the other properties used, would only allow you to burn about 75 minutes of video to a single layer DVD.

I would have expected that for a project the size of yours (139 minutes), with those settings, that your bitrate would have to be in 4000 to 5000 kbps range.

chamlin · Post by **chamlin** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 4:51 am

Ken Berry wrote:I am sorry, but those properties look more like the default project properties which would give you the sort of size you have obtained after editing.

That is because of the bitrate, which at 8000 kbps, is a high quality setting which, with the other properties used, would only allow you to burn about 75 minutes of video to a single layer DVD.

I would have expected that for a project the size of yours (139 minutes), with those settings, that your bitrate would have to be in 4000 to 5000 kbps range.

Ken, I right clicked on the mpg file I had "captured" and the info I listed was what came up. Maybe this will clarify:

I capture from VHS through a hardware box: DVDXpressDX2 (Adstech) using their CAPWIZ (capture wizard) software. Then I open up Ulead Video Studio 9 SE and start to work with it.

Where else should I look for those settings?

Also, just installed VideoStudio 11 Plus, but when trying to open it, I get an error message: vstudio.exe - Unable to Locate Component. This app failed to start because mpgaout.dll was not found.

Any ideas on this additional challenge?

Thanks for everything!
Bruce

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 5:17 pm

Ken Berry wrote:I would have expected that for a project the size of yours (139 minutes), with those settings, that your bitrate would have to be in 4000 to 5000 kbps range.

Actually, the CBR bitrate (or VBR Average bitrate) would have to be less than ~3000kbps for that duration and filesize.

brucejcohen@adelphia.net wrote:Ken, I right clicked on the mpg file I had "captured" and the info I listed was what came up. Maybe this will clarify:

I capture from VHS through a hardware box: DVDXpressDX2 (Adstech) using their CAPWIZ (capture wizard) software. Then I open up Ulead Video Studio 9 SE and start to work with it.

I suspect the CapWiz program is not filling in the bitrate value properly in the mpeg "header info" (which sometimes happens on DVD Recorders also).

brucejcohen@adelphia.net wrote: Also, just installed VideoStudio 11 Plus, but when trying to open it, I get an error message: vstudio.exe - Unable to Locate Component. This app failed to start because mpgaout.dll was not found.

Are you saying VS11+ does not open, or VS11+ opens, but it cannot load in your captured mpeg file

If it's VS11+ cannot start properly, make sure you close CapWiz, and also unplug the ADSTech device before opening VS11+.

Regards,
George

chamlin · Post by **chamlin** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:58 pm

GeorgeW wrote:Are you saying VS11+ does not open, or VS11+ opens, but it cannot load in your captured mpeg file If it's VS11+ cannot start properly, make sure you close CapWiz, and also unplug the ADSTech device before opening VS11+.

George, thanks for the insights here. Yes, VS11+ won't start properly, period.

If I have to unplug the DVDXpressDX2 each time I want to open Ulead, that will be a deal breaker for me, especially if when I plug it back in, Windows (XP Pro SP2) recognizes it as new hardware. I'll try it though to problem solve.

By the way, how do I change my username? It somehow got to be my email address which is a really bad practice.

Peace,
Bruce

chamlin · Post by **chamlin** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:34 am

I got a response from Ulead:

The needed library file in your system that was updated by installing VideoStudio is maybe overwrited with different version from installing your capture device's driver or video or sound codec driver. I'm afarid we don't have an update patch for fixing this problem. We suggests to reinstall the VideoStudio 11 and latest version of DirectX driver again to solve this issue.

I have responded:
What you wrote doesn't make sense. The needed library file couldn't be overwritten by a file from the capture device or video or sound codec driver because they were all there BEFORE I installed VideoStudio 11+. I am uninstalling 11+ then reinstalling one more time, then adding the latest DirectX driver again. If that doesn't work, this will be VERY disappointing, and I will want a refund because I don't feel good about paying for software that won't install.

Please advise.

Thanks for the help,
Bruce

alexandrepsf · Post by **alexandrepsf** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:11 am

Hi,

I have the same issue with the mpgaout.dll not founded. Did you find a solution to fix the problem?

Thanks,
Alex

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:23 am

brucejcohen@adelphia.net wrote:......
By the way, how do I change my username? It somehow got to be my email address which is a really bad practice.
......

Send me a PM with the name you would like it to be replaced with
I suggest you also send me a couple of alternatives in case that name is not available having already been taken.

alexandrepsf · Post by **alexandrepsf** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:40 am

alexandrepsf wrote:Hi,

I have the same issue with the mpgaout.dll not founded. Did you find a solution to fix the problem?

Thanks,
Alex

So I did some research on my computer, the dll is present in:
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Ulead Systems\MPEG

But for some reason the program is looking for the dll in windows/system32 because when I copy the dll file in that directory then I get another error message (for another missing dll).

I should add that I am running the program with Vista.

Thanks for helps.
Alex

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:43 am

You haven't completed your system specifications yet but I will take it that you are using XP though the procedure should be the same for Vista.

Check your Windows PATH statement.

How to set the path in Windows 2000 / Windows XP.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:28 am

He alread said:

I should add that I am running the program with Vista.

alexandrepsf · Post by **alexandrepsf** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 2:23 pm

sjj1805 wrote:You haven't completed your system specifications yet but I will take it that you are using XP though the procedure should be the same for Vista.

Check your Windows PATH statement.

How to set the path in Windows 2000 / Windows XP.

Hi,

Thanks for the reply.

I have Vista ultimate installed on my laptop.

I had Visual Video 10+ and it was working well, until yesterday I decided to upgrade to 11+.

So I purchased the online version of the software and once purchased downloaded and installed the software and also installed the content pack. I noticed that the installation of 11+ did not uninstall the previously installed version, so I uninstalled version 10+ through add/remove program.

Thanks for helps.
Alex

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