MSP v.8 with Canon HV20?

[neonbob]

My experience with forums is; if a poster has knowledge about the particular subject in post, he or she will share his/her experience.

But this is exactly what I tried to do to start with!

I have experience in the area of the HV20 and pull down removal I merely tried to offer the easiest way to remove it since Canon neglected to offer the same flag system as on its other cams. As a result, there are only a select few systems that can deal with it. My intent was not to put down MSP, or Vegas, Liquid... etc The fact is that MOST editors will have a tough time with the Canon HV20 24P system because of the lack of flags.

Vegas won't even remove the pull down... you have to capture with Cineform HD link... which is one of the few systems that will freely and easily remove the pulldown. And as I said before... when you use cineform, you end up with an intermediate avi that only vegas can deal with. Cineform will capture as M2T, but it won't remove the pull down in that case. You have to capture in the intermediate avi format..... which restricts you to Vegas.

Cineform does offer a HDlink version for premierePro but I have no experience with PP so I can not offer any support in this area.

ADDED:
One thing I will point out however is that I have NOT tried importing a cineform intermediate avi into MSP. My cineform copy is already installed WITHIN vegas. But there is no reason why someone could not try the cineform trial installed as a separate entity so you could then create a separate avi file for a test import to MSP.... MAYBE it will work.

[dezco]

Well since you guys are going back and forth and seem to be pretty knowledegable about the HDV editing with 24P I will pose a question. Ulead prodcuts are not working for me AT ALL when it comes to editing the film footage that I captured at 24P with my JVC GY-HD110. The GY-HD110 supports Full HD progressive recording at 24 frames per second (720/24P).

I am currently using MSP's Vid capture application and I am using the HDV plug-in. When I try to replay the footage within the vid cap application after capture the video is slowed down in realtime playback for some reason. When I open up MSP to edit the video the playback is extremely jittery like the frame rate is off but I have edited the 720/30P project and created a new one setting the frame rate to 24P . See my post made earlier.

http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=23971

When I download and run VideoStudio 11 that is supposed to be "optimized" for HD editing and authoring, the application crashes on me 100% of the time whenever it tries to recognize my JVC GY-HD110. I have tried installing on three seperate computers with the same result. So capturing footage use VS11 is out.

I have about $15,000 locked up into these tapes recorded at 24P and I paid an enourmous price for my Ulead package and I am dead in the water. I am hoping that it is just merely something that I am missing. Possibly a project setting. Or maybe I just need to stop using MSP altogether and capture/edit with another product. I don't know. Any help would be appreciated.

[iafilm]

Before I upgrade to MSP v8, will it work completely with the HV20? Will it work with the HV20 24p mode, or just normal 1080i HDV?

I have just borrowed an HV20 (PAL model, see note below) and tried it!

First computer: Windows XP SP2 work machine, clean, standard institution image. Modestly low powered Celeron 2.4GHZ with 1 Gig of RAM. Straightforward process. Good results.
Display was a flick-flick slideshow, probably overloaded processor, but the captured files were OK.
I tried switching off Menu:Capture --> Display while capturing
but that made no difference.
Some of my captures ended with a warning message "Failed to build a preview graph" - but these files were OK. Thinking about it afterwards these were the ones where the tape ran past the HDV test filming into the old DV recordings that were on the tape before.

Second computer: Windows XP SP2 "dirty" old test machine, full of dodgy stuff. AMD Athlon 3.2 GHZ with Gigabyte motherboard and 1 Gig of RAM. "Ulead Video Capture" gave an error message that it could not find the Capture Device. This looks to have been a Windows Driver problem. Thinking back now to this test I realise that this computer was not connected to the Internet when I was trying this so maybe it was not able to download a driver on demand and the successful one was able to do this.

Third computer: Windows Vista test machine with 2 Gig RAM. Does not have ULead installed but I experimented with capturing with the open source VLC software - free download from www.videolan.org
This worked best using its setting "Dump raw input". The result was a .m2t MPEG Transport file so on opening it in Ulead, there was a process where Ulead made a simplified non-transport copy. I presume this is to save on paying patent fees? My conclusion is that VLC is a workable alternative Capture method.
I have documented the VLC process in more detail at:
HOWTO Capture with VLC

I tried the Canon HV20 PAL in both "P" and "Cinemode". I think they would be 50i and 25pf but I am not sure if that was happening as I only had limited testing time with this camera. As I understand it 24pf is delivered as 60i with some fields repeated but any capture and editing software should see that as 60i - but this is only my opinion and here in PAL land I have no way of testing that.

What I am seeing here tells me that the biggest HDV capture issue would be the Windows Driver rather than the Ulead or any other user interface.

[neonbob]

What I am seeing here tells me that the biggest HDV capture issue would be the Windows Driver rather than the Ulead or any other user interface.

I have the HV20 (ntsc) and I have no problems at all with windows XP drivers. I have several different editors, and the HV20 works fine in all of them. I also have vista ultimate 64bit and of the editors that work in vista64, the HV20 also works fine.