VS11 Analogue Pass through problem.

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:55 am

Ken,
On the computer that could capture using MF6+ and now cannot capture using MF6+ before you re-install MF6+ I would rename the \common files\Ulead Systems directory so the re-installation of MF6+ will recreate the directory structure along with re-installing all the files distributed with that version. This will eliminate any VS11+ files that could be left behind and possible conflict.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:11 am

Thanks. Whatever it was, though, seems to have corrected itself. Maybe it was just a reboot; maybe it was the Vista update (another one!) which just installed itself 10 minutes ago... But I could once again capture with MF6. The image during capture was a little jerky, but playback on the captured file was fine. Still worried, though, by a microsecond of pixellation and audio zap in each captured file though.

I just installed WinDV on the Vista machine -- I had not done so before because I had thought it might not be compatible with Vista. However, it is and works just fine, though like MF6, the image during capture seems a little jerky, but plays back fine (though also with the audio/visual blip per clip...)

VS11+ still refuses to capture properly, but will happily play back the files captured with MF6 and WinDV... And I can live with that since I normally use WinDV anyway for DV capture...

Now on to the Digital 8...!!!

Post by **Ken Berry** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:32 am

While not quite the same issue as passthrough, I have now linked up my Sony Digital 8 which I use in lieu of passthrough to capture my analogue tapes to DV. Instead, I play them directly in the camera which converts them into DV and sends the info via firewire to the computer. To repeat, the camera is connected to the computer which uses Vista Home Premium. The results were interesting:

WinDV captured with no difficulty and playback was good.

MF6 crashed repeatedly when I pressed Capture Video. Nothing was captured at all. I selected both the capture module from the main MF6 menu, and also as a sub-set of New Project. Crashed regardless.

VS11+ appeared to be capturing, and rather more smoothly than before. However, at 10 seconds, I got the 'video is corrupt and unusable and will be deleted' message once again.

For the sake of completeness, I also connected the Digital 8 to my XP Pro computer. MF6 this time began the capture, but after ten seconds, came up with the corrupt and unusable message (but asked me if I wanted to delete it...) VS11+ did the same, but deleted it automatically.

So once more, the fickle finger of fate is pointing fairly squarely at VS11 when it comes to analogue video, whether being sent on a digital 8 camera directly, or through a mini DV passthrough camera...

Kiwi Bob · Post by **Kiwi Bob** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:32 am

This was the response 'ArcAngel' gave to the pass-through problem on 3 May in this Forum.

DV passthrough has never been in any way documented in Ulead tutorials or manuals. Though we dont forbid thr use of such, if it works then that's okay. If not we can only suggest that you must use compatible analog capture device for this purpose.

I dont know if he was speaking on behalf of Corel or not.
Raising the problem with Tech Support drew a blank.

Bob

Post by **Ken Berry** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:26 pm

And it's a nonsense to suggest that, given the paucity of information in the Manual etc, that anything not listed there is not supported...

"The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away" is not exactly the philosophy one would expect of a software company ... or is it???

Well if it were to be the case, then this user hath giveneth, and this user -- and I imagine a lot of others -- just might taketh away their support for the product...

patflan · Post by **patflan** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:34 pm

etech6355,

Quote:
"...not sure, I think this all may as well depend on the video camera being used to pass through. "

I agree, the method I am using to get this to work on analogue pass through may not work with other cameras.
Having said that I get the same results as Ron with capture always stopping after 10 secs if I do not have a tape in the DV camcorder.
But when I put a tape in, then SOMETIMES it will then capture perfectly.
It is however hit and miss and also may cause VS11 to crash.
I just decided to list this method in case someone else would have better success with a different set up - but reading these posts it looks like nobody can get it to work properly.

As Ken has also found I can also capture analogue pass through perfectly to VS11 and Vista using WinDV and I am also able to do this through videoStudio 6 installed on the Vista machine as well as Scenalyzer and Vista.

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:06 pm

Same results here trying passthrough mode, so I would say it's not reliable. It's seems obvious to me the program needs to control the cam for proper capturing, whenever I go into the capture module I can watch the program communicate with the camcorder, roll the tape and sync to a frame then put the camcorder into the pause mode.
WinDV seems to be the workaround for direct stream capturing. Thank god for open source

On the other hand VS11+ captures much better from my Sony HC3 HighDefinition camcorder then VS10+. I also have no problems capturing DV or even analog from a Hauggauge PVR150 (Model# 1045) capture card.

I think it's going to be hard to troubleshoot if one user (like myself) is using XP_SP2 and someone else is using Vista. I should be backing up my important VHS Home Movie tapes to DV instead of passthough anyway.