New to web board so hope this comes out ok
Equipment used - Sony GRT716 laptop with P4 2.8Ghz processor, 1Ghz ram 60 gig drive partitioned 30/30 C: for programs D: for video capture, graphics card Nvidia GeForce FX5600(sony), OS is XP home with serv pack 2. I have installed MSP 8 and serv pack 1. Camera used is Sony HDR FX7.
Problem I am experiencing is when capturing in Mpeg (for HDV) the capture runs ok for about 30 seconds then the picture and sound breaks up, when file replayed the same happens.
I also have problems with audio editor failing to record but am not too worried about this until I can solve capture problem
MSP8 Capture problem
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Bituman
Erik - Hi and thanks,
Settings used are Ulead HDV capture plug in, it shows as Sony - HDV and Device control shows as HDV 1394 Device Control
I hope this is the information you have requested, if it is not can you guide me to as to where to find further info.
Also forgot to mention the MSP capture program also fails to respond sometimes at no particular point! The editor seems to run ok ....so far
Thanks Jim
Settings used are Ulead HDV capture plug in, it shows as Sony - HDV and Device control shows as HDV 1394 Device Control
I hope this is the information you have requested, if it is not can you guide me to as to where to find further info.
Also forgot to mention the MSP capture program also fails to respond sometimes at no particular point! The editor seems to run ok ....so far
Thanks Jim
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heinz-oz
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Bituman
Surely, the system should be able to cope, it is well above the minimum requirement Ulead quote.
Before I bought MSP8 my computer ran a Sony capture program for DV (DVGate motion) this worked fine.....I then used MSP7 to edit,I appreciate HDV is more demanding but as I say the system is well above minimum.
Before I give up and and are forced buy/build a system just for editing how can I prove my system is "running out of puff"
Before I bought MSP8 my computer ran a Sony capture program for DV (DVGate motion) this worked fine.....I then used MSP7 to edit,I appreciate HDV is more demanding but as I say the system is well above minimum.
Before I give up and and are forced buy/build a system just for editing how can I prove my system is "running out of puff"
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Ron P.
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Hi Jim,
What I did notice about your system is the very small hard drive. A 60 gig HDD, is extremely small when you are editing video. In addition to available space for storing your captured clips, it needs at least an equal amount for temp files. It is also partitioned down to just 30 gig for your video editing. While partitions can work, it still must use the same HDD for all processes. Many of us use multiple HDDs, and even a separate Hardware Profile, where only the absolute necessary processes are running. Using multiple HDDs, allows one drive to be used for reading while another handles the writing (where the working folders are set to).
Your CPU and memory do appear to be adequate, however for most HD editing it is recommended to have at least a 3.0Ghz processor or one of the Dual-Cores.
Before building a special machine you might want to review Steve's tutorial on Creating a Video Editing Profile.
What I did notice about your system is the very small hard drive. A 60 gig HDD, is extremely small when you are editing video. In addition to available space for storing your captured clips, it needs at least an equal amount for temp files. It is also partitioned down to just 30 gig for your video editing. While partitions can work, it still must use the same HDD for all processes. Many of us use multiple HDDs, and even a separate Hardware Profile, where only the absolute necessary processes are running. Using multiple HDDs, allows one drive to be used for reading while another handles the writing (where the working folders are set to).
Your CPU and memory do appear to be adequate, however for most HD editing it is recommended to have at least a 3.0Ghz processor or one of the Dual-Cores.
Before building a special machine you might want to review Steve's tutorial on Creating a Video Editing Profile.
Ron Petersen, Web Board Administrator
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Bituman
Vidoman, thanks for the info,
The article on Creating a Video Profile looks beyond me so I will have to find somone to help me with that.
On your comments re: the size and use of HDD, I have now tried to capture to an external firewire connected HDD which has 300gb free, the result was the same problem but it occured much earlier, after about 12 seconds......does this point to anything obvious?
Jim
The article on Creating a Video Profile looks beyond me so I will have to find somone to help me with that.
On your comments re: the size and use of HDD, I have now tried to capture to an external firewire connected HDD which has 300gb free, the result was the same problem but it occured much earlier, after about 12 seconds......does this point to anything obvious?
Jim
re HDD space: HDV takes same space (25mbps bitrate, 13gb/hr) and capture bandwidth as DV.
HDV does take more CPU/oomph than DV capture.
On my P4-HT 2.8ghz desktop system w/ 7200rpm UIDE drives, the HDV capture video display is very slow / choppy /sometimes even disappears, but I do not lose any frames... I'd say mine was barely up to the task.
So despite your high-end laptop, it might not be enough.
Your HDD may be too slow in combination w/ the extra CPU display/M2T->MPG2 conversion load. Laptops have very slow HDDs. 7200rpm would be best. You might try some speed tests, but it's hard to tell what actual drive transfer performance is needed along w/ the HDV capture/performance overhead.
re ext HDDs, try USB2 instead of firewire; different buses. Even on my desktop I've had better luck w/ USB2 drive capture, despite firewire supposedly being faster/more efficient.
Also, ensure NO other firewire (video) devices are plugged in also, even if off, sometimes they will conflict/"steal" the video stream from each other. Only plug in your camcorder if possible.
You can also try the free utility HDVsplit to capture HDV files:
http://strony.aster.pl/paviko/hdvsplit.htm
This also supports split-by-scene capture based on timestamp metadata (like DV did in mspro), but then MSPro will need to convert the file(s) to MPG afterwards (when importing to timeline.) This will double your storage space, so you'd need that firewire drive, but at least you get scene splitting (grrr ulead you listening?)
Good luck!
HDV does take more CPU/oomph than DV capture.
On my P4-HT 2.8ghz desktop system w/ 7200rpm UIDE drives, the HDV capture video display is very slow / choppy /sometimes even disappears, but I do not lose any frames... I'd say mine was barely up to the task.
So despite your high-end laptop, it might not be enough.
Your HDD may be too slow in combination w/ the extra CPU display/M2T->MPG2 conversion load. Laptops have very slow HDDs. 7200rpm would be best. You might try some speed tests, but it's hard to tell what actual drive transfer performance is needed along w/ the HDV capture/performance overhead.
re ext HDDs, try USB2 instead of firewire; different buses. Even on my desktop I've had better luck w/ USB2 drive capture, despite firewire supposedly being faster/more efficient.
Also, ensure NO other firewire (video) devices are plugged in also, even if off, sometimes they will conflict/"steal" the video stream from each other. Only plug in your camcorder if possible.
You can also try the free utility HDVsplit to capture HDV files:
http://strony.aster.pl/paviko/hdvsplit.htm
This also supports split-by-scene capture based on timestamp metadata (like DV did in mspro), but then MSPro will need to convert the file(s) to MPG afterwards (when importing to timeline.) This will double your storage space, so you'd need that firewire drive, but at least you get scene splitting (grrr ulead you listening?)
Good luck!
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JW
Re: MSP8 Capture problem
[quote="Bituman"]Problem I am experiencing is when capturing in Mpeg (for HDV) the capture runs ok for about 30 seconds then the picture and sound breaks up, when file replayed the same happens.[/quote]
Hello Forum-user's,
at first excuse my english. It's older than 25 years.
I've the same problem with my Sony HDV camera HDR-HC1, after MF5+ was installed on my desktop-system. DV capturing is possible, but no HDV. Then I tested it on my Laptop with 1.6GHz without MF5+. The HDV-capture with MSP8 was possible. Then I have installed MF5+ on my Laptop. The same problem. Both systems can capturing HDV without MF5+ and have the problem with MF5+. Now i have deinstalled MF5+. The VideoCapture programm in MSP8 don't like my MF5+. Capturing with MF5+ is possible, but i miss a lot of functions (camera-control).
The Ulead-support don't give me an answere.
Perhaps, someone can help this.
JW
Hello Forum-user's,
at first excuse my english. It's older than 25 years.
I've the same problem with my Sony HDV camera HDR-HC1, after MF5+ was installed on my desktop-system. DV capturing is possible, but no HDV. Then I tested it on my Laptop with 1.6GHz without MF5+. The HDV-capture with MSP8 was possible. Then I have installed MF5+ on my Laptop. The same problem. Both systems can capturing HDV without MF5+ and have the problem with MF5+. Now i have deinstalled MF5+. The VideoCapture programm in MSP8 don't like my MF5+. Capturing with MF5+ is possible, but i miss a lot of functions (camera-control).
The Ulead-support don't give me an answere.
Perhaps, someone can help this.
JW
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Bituman
All,
I see now my laptop is not really up to the task, to be able to continue my quest to be able to work with MSP8 for capture and editing of HDV I have resigned myself to having to build a desktop for the task.
Could someone enlighten me as to what choice of motherboard,processor,drives cards etc I should be going for if my budget is two thousand pounds sterling
I see now my laptop is not really up to the task, to be able to continue my quest to be able to work with MSP8 for capture and editing of HDV I have resigned myself to having to build a desktop for the task.
Could someone enlighten me as to what choice of motherboard,processor,drives cards etc I should be going for if my budget is two thousand pounds sterling