Can you re-join split audio aand video?

CaptainKen2 · Post by **CaptainKen2** » Thu May 10, 2007 3:14 am

I know how to split the audio and video, but how do I rejoin them without have to delete and re-add the clip, thereby loosing any applied effects?

jday · Post by **jday** » Thu May 10, 2007 4:47 am

Based on your question, I'm not sure why you split the audio and video in the first place if you want to join them back together. I'm sure you know you can add video and audio effects without splitting them.

Anyway, as far as I know, I think the best you can do is "group" them after them are split. You can "group" a video and audio track by selecting one, holding down the CTRL key and selecting the other. Then, right click on one of them and select "group." This effectively "ties" them together so that if you move one or delete one, the same thing happens to the other.

CaptainKen2 · Post by **CaptainKen2** » Thu May 10, 2007 5:27 am

Thank you for your reply.

I know about the group feature. After I split the video and audio, I then deleted the audio. So there audio isn't there to do anything with. Didn't think I'd need the audio, but then I changed my mind.

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Thu May 10, 2007 9:56 am

Another way is to Create a new file.

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Thu May 10, 2007 11:05 am

Clip / Unite

Regards,
George

Gorf · Post by **Gorf** » Thu May 10, 2007 11:07 am

If the audio and video still "match" (i.e. they are the same length and have the same mark in/mark out points) then just right-click either of them when they are selected, then choose "unite".

Incidentally, if you acidentally delete the audio or video portion of a split clip, you can recover it by right clicking the selected bit you have left and choosing "expand".

Note that the clip muse be selected before you do either of these. Right clicking a clip when it's not selected just brings up a clip properties dialog.

jday · Post by **jday** » Thu May 10, 2007 2:43 pm

Since you said you deleted the audio, I think your best option (assuming you haven't changed the length of the video portion) is to add a 2nd copy of the video to another track, then "split" that clip and delete the video track. That will will your original video track and the audio from the second one. Then move the audio to the same number track as the video (i.e., video1, audio1), select them both and then go to "clip", "unite."

CaptainKen2 · Post by **CaptainKen2** » Fri May 11, 2007 2:54 am

Well looks like these were right under my nose. I had right clicked, but some how my brain filtered out the unite and expand. I guess I was to focused on what seemed a more logical term at the time which was re-join.

So to some it up:

"Unite" should be used if the audio is still on the track.

"Expand" would be used if the audio had been deleted.

Thanks to everyone for taking the time to explain!

Ken

Gorf · Post by **Gorf** » Fri May 11, 2007 11:25 am

jday wrote:Since you said you deleted the audio, I think your best option (assuming you haven't changed the length of the video portion) is to add a 2nd copy of the video to another track, then "split" that clip and delete the video track. That will will your original video track and the audio from the second one. Then move the audio to the same number track as the video (i.e., video1, audio1), select them both and then go to "clip", "unite."

Unfortunately, that's wrong advice in every possible sense. It just doesn't work like that. Try it.

jday · Post by **jday** » Fri May 11, 2007 2:25 pm

Gorf,
First I will say that I am not an expert and can definitely be wrong at times, but I did try this before I posted my solution and it DID work. But, just to make sure, I tried it again after reading your post and verified that it did work.

I simply added a video to the timeline, "split" it and deleted the audio. Then, just for fun I added a video effect to the video (just to have done something to it). I then added the same "original" video to another track, split it and deleted the "video" portion. Next, using the control key I selected the two tracks on the timeline (the video from the first one and the audio from the second one) and the selected "clip, unite". This did unite the two clips and they played in sync. Just to test it, I move the new united item around the timeline and it did stay together.

My point is that if you split a clip and delete the audio and then later decide you want the audio back, this will work. Obviously, if you've trimmed the original video in any way, you will have to also trim the audio (from the second instance of the clip) identically for it to sync correctly.

Again Gorf, I have tested this several times and it does work, but I come to these forums to learn so please let me know why you say "it just doesn't work like that." Thanks.

Gorf · Post by **Gorf** » Sat May 12, 2007 12:39 pm

jday wrote:First I will say that I am not an expert and can definitely be wrong at times...

Well that doesn't mean anything!

I've been using MSP since version 6 back in 2000, and I didn't know you could use {Ctrl} {Click} to select multiple clips. It is a new feature for MSP8.

I would never suggest I'm an expert, but I'm not surprised by the number of things I don't know.

jday wrote:I simply added a video to the timeline, "split" it and deleted the audio. Then, just for fun I added a video effect to the video (just to have done something to it). I then added the same "original" video to another track, split it and deleted the "video" portion. Next, using the control key I selected the two tracks on the timeline (the video from the first one and the audio from the second one) and the selected "clip, unite". This did unite the two clips and they played in sync. Just to test it, I move the new united item around the timeline and it did stay together.

I just tried the same and it did indeed work the way you describe - my sincere apologies. It's another change for MSP8: If you follow the exact same procedure in MSP7 it doesn't work. (My method is not only easier, it works since at least version 6).

jday wrote:My point is that if you split a clip and delete the audio and then later decide you want the audio back, this will work. Obviously, if you've trimmed the original video in any way, you will have to also trim the audio (from the second instance of the clip) identically for it to sync correctly.

But that is the problem. It's not often that an editor works with an entire video asset on the timeline. For example, put your clip on the timeline, delete the audio portion and truncate the clip by a random amount at the start and end. Now, drag the clip back to 0:00:00 so you have no reference points such as the empty space before the clip. Time how long it takes to get the audio back using your method. Then time how long it takes to {left-click} {right-click} "Expand".

I suspect that the ability to do it your way has arrived as a result of one of the other major changes with MSP8, such as the file save format.

jday wrote:Again Gorf, I have tested this several times and it does work, but I come to these forums to learn so please let me know why you say "it just doesn't work like that." Thanks.

Perhaps I'll change that to either "It didn't work like that" or "It shouldn't work like that".

I learn from these forums too...