Guys, I'm sorry, old age is taking its toll with me.
I really don't know why but I'm having all kinds of "NEW" problems loading a project into workshop.
I hate to resave a project as a dv-avi because its too big so I use the mpeg-2 dv setting in premiere
Can someone rattle my memory regarding multiplexing issues with workshop. An m2v file has no audio and I have to load the audio (after seperately rendering it again) into workshop
should I multiplex and create an mpeg file to allow audio to work. I don't get it, this was never an issue. I know I'm going crazy. Perhaps an overview of what you all consider the best way to import a movie project.
thanks.
Importing from Adobe Premiere
Re: Importing from Adobe Premiere
Are you loading the separate audio stream for the video asset, and your final DVD doesn't have audioDiscCoasterPro wrote:Guys, I'm sorry, old age is taking its toll with me.
I really don't know why but I'm having all kinds of "NEW" problems loading a project into workshop.
I hate to resave a project as a dv-avi because its too big so I use the mpeg-2 dv setting in premiere
Can someone rattle my memory regarding multiplexing issues with workshop. An m2v file has no audio and I have to load the audio (after seperately rendering it again) into workshop
should I multiplex and create an mpeg file to allow audio to work. I don't get it, this was never an issue. I know I'm going crazy. Perhaps an overview of what you all consider the best way to import a movie project.
thanks.
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DiscCoasterPro
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You should be able to do it either way -- when you save as an mpeg video/audio, what happens in DVDWS 2.xDiscCoasterPro wrote:I guess what I'm asking is do I have to encode to m2v and then add a seperate audio or can I multiplex the encoding and save as mpeg and get bot A/V in the final authored product. It seems for some reason workshop isn't liking that way recently.
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either no audio or ... I have successfully gotten an mpeg into the program ..and I know this is going to sound off the wall, but then it seems like a field order problem exists in the dvd.
Adobe is always getting the source from either miniDV camcorder or analogue through Canopus 300 as a dv-avi. Neither has ever been an issue before when I encode to mpeg in adobe.
It always shows and plays fine both audio and video. If I save the project as a dv-avi and import it into workshop, menu and let WS encode to mpeg, no problem ... but if I encode in Adobe (mainconcept mpeg encoder) LFF of course, then I end up with (usually a jitter problem or no audio.)
If I choose m2v and take a seperate wav audio stream, its ok again
Im going to have to try a few more experiments. Perhaps reload WS ..
Adobe is always getting the source from either miniDV camcorder or analogue through Canopus 300 as a dv-avi. Neither has ever been an issue before when I encode to mpeg in adobe.
It always shows and plays fine both audio and video. If I save the project as a dv-avi and import it into workshop, menu and let WS encode to mpeg, no problem ... but if I encode in Adobe (mainconcept mpeg encoder) LFF of course, then I end up with (usually a jitter problem or no audio.)
If I choose m2v and take a seperate wav audio stream, its ok again
Im going to have to try a few more experiments. Perhaps reload WS ..
DiscCoasterPro wrote:either no audio or ... I have successfully gotten an mpeg into the program ..and I know this is going to sound off the wall, but then it seems like a field order problem exists in the dvd.
What you see as a "Field Order" problem might actually be the "Chroma Upsampling Issue" -- check with Canopus to see if your ADVC unit has their most recent firmware. If it does not, perhaps they will allow you to RMA it to get it updated to resolve that issue. NOTE: I don't know if it's truly a Field-Order issue, or whether it's the Chroma issue -- but might as well check with Canopus to get the latest firmware (if possible).
Regards,
George
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Thanks for you help George, I know I'm not explaining this as well as I should be. I'm going to roll up my sleeves and spend some time on this the next few days. I'll post back and explain if I have found anything.
Note* The Canopus captures are fine in both PP2 for editing or when sent directly to DVDWS. The problems all develop when I let PP2 encode rather than DVDWS.
The only reason I would like to save thePP2 project as an mpeg is space related. I just purchased yet another
external HD. 500g this time so, I may just be able to wave the white flag on this one and save my projects as microsoft AVIs and let DVDWS encode them. But. I'll play some more.
thanks again!
Note* The Canopus captures are fine in both PP2 for editing or when sent directly to DVDWS. The problems all develop when I let PP2 encode rather than DVDWS.
The only reason I would like to save thePP2 project as an mpeg is space related. I just purchased yet another
external HD. 500g this time so, I may just be able to wave the white flag on this one and save my projects as microsoft AVIs and let DVDWS encode them. But. I'll play some more.thanks again!
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Well, after setting up this Hard Drive, I had to complete the current project I'm working on so I just rendered out the Adobe Premiere project as an avi and brought that into DVDWS.
All was, (as expected) fine, well, except that new funky things are happening with this program all of a sudden that make me wonder if this whole thing isn't somehow related.
Now, I made a main menu and two sub menus. When creating the first submenu I dragged an image file from the default library supplied files. It was the sailboat image. It went in fine as a background.
I finished that first submenu, and went on to create a second sub, this time when I dragged an image into the next menu window, it was acting like it was a button. I stretched it out and proceeded.
I dragged an arrow button in and it acted like it was a background and changed my background... sigh ... So, I went back to submenu number one and right clicked on the arrow I had placed there, selected copy and then I went to sub 2 and pasted without a problem.
This program is going coo coo on me.
All was, (as expected) fine, well, except that new funky things are happening with this program all of a sudden that make me wonder if this whole thing isn't somehow related.
Now, I made a main menu and two sub menus. When creating the first submenu I dragged an image file from the default library supplied files. It was the sailboat image. It went in fine as a background.
I finished that first submenu, and went on to create a second sub, this time when I dragged an image into the next menu window, it was acting like it was a button. I stretched it out and proceeded.
I dragged an arrow button in and it acted like it was a background and changed my background... sigh ... So, I went back to submenu number one and right clicked on the arrow I had placed there, selected copy and then I went to sub 2 and pasted without a problem.
This program is going coo coo on me.
You probably had the BUTTON tab active (upper left quadrant). If you make the MENU tab active, it should treat it as a menu background...DiscCoasterPro wrote:I finished that first submenu, and went on to create a second sub, this time when I dragged an image into the next menu window, it was acting like it was a button. I stretched it out and proceeded.
Regards,
George
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Ah ... George, LOL of course. I tell ya, this whole thing has gotten my head spinning.
I'm going to contact Canopus today for info on any new firmware. Although to tell ya the truth, I'd rather not have to update the firmware as I'm still backing up about a half zillion old Disney VHS tapes for my grandkids and the current firmware vers. in Canopus allows for (dare I say) bypassing the macromedia protection. ( dont send the copy cops, these are my own backups)
Anyway, I did a full sequence last night which consisted of an analogue capture from an old Sony CCD-V8AF 8mm camcorder, through the Canopus 300 and captured it using Adobe Premiere. I made my edits which consisted of only trimming, in its original dv-avi format ( which I assume produced by whatever Canopus encoder is in that thing)
Because I'm going to retry the process both by introducing the re-rendered dv-avi into DVDWS as well as trying it by first encoding to a mulitplexed mpeg2 prior to importing into DVDWS, it didn't matter which way I went first.
I decided to re-render the dv-avi using the Adobe Premiere encoder which is listed as Microsoft DV in the choice menu. I did, I imported to DVDWS and menued.
The result was that jittery playback we talked about when side to side movement was pronounced.
I'm beginning to wonder if it is the process of re-encoding a Canopus DV to a Microsoft DV file and it has nothing at all to do with DVDWS. As you mentioned.
I have decided (and am currently) creating and burning a DVD from within Adobe Premiere now. That process eliminates the need to re-encode from one DV-AVI codec to another and go straight from whatever the Canopus capture produced to a mainconcept mpeg codec.
I'm going to see if that corrects this funky output. Next step will be to encode to mpeg within Adobe and allow DVDWS to smart render only the markers and menus.
On a side note, I do believe (but cannot be certain) that I also got this jittery result from re-encoding avi to avi when the capture came from my Panny GS200 also. So the Panasonic dv-avi codec in the camcorder may also not like being recoded using the microsoft dv codec.
Only me ... LOL
While its on my mind, perhaps you know the answer to this. The adobe premiere program comes with 3 trials of dolby digital audio codec. I've never burned a dvd using Adobe until now, so it wasn't an issue. But I'll be using up those 3 trials now. When I bought DVDWS it came with the dolby codec, is there any way to point Adobe to this existing dolby codec I purchased with the WS program or do I have to re-buy it?
Thanks very much for your time and help!
I'm going to contact Canopus today for info on any new firmware. Although to tell ya the truth, I'd rather not have to update the firmware as I'm still backing up about a half zillion old Disney VHS tapes for my grandkids and the current firmware vers. in Canopus allows for (dare I say) bypassing the macromedia protection. ( dont send the copy cops, these are my own backups)
Anyway, I did a full sequence last night which consisted of an analogue capture from an old Sony CCD-V8AF 8mm camcorder, through the Canopus 300 and captured it using Adobe Premiere. I made my edits which consisted of only trimming, in its original dv-avi format ( which I assume produced by whatever Canopus encoder is in that thing)
Because I'm going to retry the process both by introducing the re-rendered dv-avi into DVDWS as well as trying it by first encoding to a mulitplexed mpeg2 prior to importing into DVDWS, it didn't matter which way I went first.
I decided to re-render the dv-avi using the Adobe Premiere encoder which is listed as Microsoft DV in the choice menu. I did, I imported to DVDWS and menued.
The result was that jittery playback we talked about when side to side movement was pronounced.
I'm beginning to wonder if it is the process of re-encoding a Canopus DV to a Microsoft DV file and it has nothing at all to do with DVDWS. As you mentioned.
I have decided (and am currently) creating and burning a DVD from within Adobe Premiere now. That process eliminates the need to re-encode from one DV-AVI codec to another and go straight from whatever the Canopus capture produced to a mainconcept mpeg codec.
I'm going to see if that corrects this funky output. Next step will be to encode to mpeg within Adobe and allow DVDWS to smart render only the markers and menus.
On a side note, I do believe (but cannot be certain) that I also got this jittery result from re-encoding avi to avi when the capture came from my Panny GS200 also. So the Panasonic dv-avi codec in the camcorder may also not like being recoded using the microsoft dv codec.
Only me ... LOL
While its on my mind, perhaps you know the answer to this. The adobe premiere program comes with 3 trials of dolby digital audio codec. I've never burned a dvd using Adobe until now, so it wasn't an issue. But I'll be using up those 3 trials now. When I bought DVDWS it came with the dolby codec, is there any way to point Adobe to this existing dolby codec I purchased with the WS program or do I have to re-buy it?
Thanks very much for your time and help!
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Ok quick update. Burning a DVD directly from Adobe Premiere without first saving as an AVI file but rather transcoding from the timeline direct to mpeg DVD resulted in a smooth playing DVD.
I have an additional program that I rarely use called DVDit Pro 6. I am now taking a copy of the Canopus captured AVI which was resaved as a Microsoft AVI within Adobe Premiere and I'm bringing it into DVDit Pro to menu and have DVDit transcode to Mpeg2.
This is the same process I used with DVD Workshop that resulted in that jaggety field order type issue. I can't wait to see if DVDit handles this AVI re-encoded file better.
I have an additional program that I rarely use called DVDit Pro 6. I am now taking a copy of the Canopus captured AVI which was resaved as a Microsoft AVI within Adobe Premiere and I'm bringing it into DVDit Pro to menu and have DVDit transcode to Mpeg2.
This is the same process I used with DVD Workshop that resulted in that jaggety field order type issue. I can't wait to see if DVDit handles this AVI re-encoded file better.
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Follow up ... I just used the EXACT same procedure of importing the saved dv-avi timeline into Sonic DVDit Pro 6 as I did with DVDWS. The jerky results in Workshop were nowhere to be found in the end product of DVDit.
Go figure.
The only thing I can think of at this point is that a long time ago I posted that I recalled seeing a setting in DVDWS that allowed for switching field order. I think it was in the program's capture module. I may have set it to UFF way back then but I can't recall.
At any rate the post I made prior was regarding the fact that that menu option is nowhere to be found any longer. Someone was nice enough to post a set of commands to bring it back, but nothing worked.
I don't even know if thats the issue. Something definitely is directly relative to Workshop since the files were taken from a folder on the hd. same rendered file, different authoring program.
Go figure.
The only thing I can think of at this point is that a long time ago I posted that I recalled seeing a setting in DVDWS that allowed for switching field order. I think it was in the program's capture module. I may have set it to UFF way back then but I can't recall.
At any rate the post I made prior was regarding the fact that that menu option is nowhere to be found any longer. Someone was nice enough to post a set of commands to bring it back, but nothing worked.
I don't even know if thats the issue. Something definitely is directly relative to Workshop since the files were taken from a folder on the hd. same rendered file, different authoring program.
Would it be possible to post a 5-second clip (if you have online storage) of the .avi file you output from Premiere? I'd like to try it here (preferably a section that shows the jagged edges).
Also, if you added the ADVANCE=1 to your DVDWS.INI file, then you should get an ADVANCED button on the COMPRESSION tab (of the template you are using for your project). What value do you have for Deinterlacing
Regards,
George
Also, if you added the ADVANCE=1 to your DVDWS.INI file, then you should get an ADVANCED button on the COMPRESSION tab (of the template you are using for your project). What value do you have for Deinterlacing
Regards,
George
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I don't have online storage, I'm sorry. It is interesting the none of the shuttering with horizontal movement was evident after doing the exact thing with DVDit. I would be willing to send a dvd to you as well.
One thing I didn't check is to see if perhaps the resulting VOB file was UFF !
The thought just came to me. I could copy it to my HD, rename it mpeg and see what the field order is ... If you think thats worth a shot. I'll do it and post back.
One thing I didn't check is to see if perhaps the resulting VOB file was UFF !
The thought just came to me. I could copy it to my HD, rename it mpeg and see what the field order is ... If you think thats worth a shot. I'll do it and post back.
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I'm sorry not to follow up on my post, had death in family. I'm back looking into this. I search my local hard drive for dvdws.ini and there is no such file to modify. ?
Disregard ... ridiculous windows not only wants the settings to show sys. files in explorers file view (which I knew) but it also has a second level hide file thing in the search window ... grrr ...
its there
I show advance=1 in [VIODRIVER] heading .. is that the right spot for it cause I don't see an advance tab in the program.
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Interesting ..there was a second heading for viodriver ... i added advance=1 there also and now I do show the advanced button field is LFF and deinterlace is set to disable.
thanks for your help btw
Disregard ... ridiculous windows not only wants the settings to show sys. files in explorers file view (which I knew) but it also has a second level hide file thing in the search window ... grrr ...
its there
I show advance=1 in [VIODRIVER] heading .. is that the right spot for it cause I don't see an advance tab in the program.
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Interesting ..there was a second heading for viodriver ... i added advance=1 there also and now I do show the advanced button field is LFF and deinterlace is set to disable.
thanks for your help btw