With the greatest of respect, and without wanting to sound personal, it seems to me at least that the only new thing about your discovery is the specific use of 'MPEG Optimizer' in the Share > Create Video File stage, which is of course specific to HD video and VS11.
Otherwise, the workflow described by etech at least, is identical as far as I can see to the process that I and lots of other users have been applying to normal video for years as an alternative to doing the editing and going straight to Share > Create Disc.
And I repeat my assertion that there is no re-rendering in this method, a point I think you concede (or make), though perhaps for different reasons.
In the method I use, which is apparently identical to the one you use except that you are dealing with HD, you do your editing and prepare an mpeg at the end of it. Then you close that project, start a new one to get an empty timeline, then go to Share > Create Disc and insert that new mpeg. You build your menu and burn. Now if the mpeg you inserted is already DVD-compatible, then no re-rendering takes place in the burning module -- only conversion of the menu, multiplexing of the video and audio and the actual burn.
But with normal video (I accept this apparently does not work with HD), the alternative method of doing your editing, then going straight to the burning module, also does not involve any re-rendering. There is only one render which occurs as part of the burning process. This is because the project file is automatically inserted into the burning module, and rendered only the one time.
Even if the user were to finish editing, then produce a DVD-compliant mpeg-2, but then fails to start a new project to empty the timeline, then when the burning module is opened, it is not the new mpeg-2 which is inserted but the project file. And it is the project file which would then be rendered as if for the first time during the burning process. In other words, VS ignores the first render after the editing process because the file produced by that first render has nothing to do with the burning module in this situation. It is simply ignored.
I am genuinely happy that you have found a way around your problems. I hope one day to get into HD editing myself. And it is good to know that it can be made to work.
I was simply taking exception to your description of a perfectly valid and, to me logical, workflow as either a work-around or a flaw which somehow needed to be corrected.
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Ken,
As I think should have been very clear from all of the discussion on this thread starting with my original beginning inquiry post, this is entirely about HD DVD burning from captured HDV files. MPEG2 in-->MPEG2 out......same resolution, same bitrate, and ***NO-RE-RENDERING***
It is neither a "perfectly valid" nor "logical" workflow to force the user to save an intermediate file to disk, and then immediately re-load this file in a subsequent "File Open" step in order to avoid a lengthy and crummy re-rendering process. None of the other programs I use require it, and I find it counter-intuitive.
Larry
As I think should have been very clear from all of the discussion on this thread starting with my original beginning inquiry post, this is entirely about HD DVD burning from captured HDV files. MPEG2 in-->MPEG2 out......same resolution, same bitrate, and ***NO-RE-RENDERING***
It is neither a "perfectly valid" nor "logical" workflow to force the user to save an intermediate file to disk, and then immediately re-load this file in a subsequent "File Open" step in order to avoid a lengthy and crummy re-rendering process. None of the other programs I use require it, and I find it counter-intuitive.
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In previous versions, the default for the mpeg-2 setting had a different frame format which made it suitable for SVCD and not DVD compliant. I think it was also frame based.
I see that in VS11, however, that the mpeg-2 option is largely identical to the DVD option, although the latter default has a higher bitrate. And the mpeg-2 option is frame based which, if you were using video, would not produce a DVD-compliant file.
I see that in VS11, however, that the mpeg-2 option is largely identical to the DVD option, although the latter default has a higher bitrate. And the mpeg-2 option is frame based which, if you were using video, would not produce a DVD-compliant file.
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Yes, VS11+ can burn the HD-DVD format on a regular dvd.etech6355 wrote:Does VS11+ make HD DVD content on regular DVDs?
Etech
If rendered to very nice and highest WMV-HD quality this will make around 45 to 55 minutes on normal one layer inexpensive dvd instead of burning to 10 time more expensive new hd-dvd or BR dvd. Am I wrong ?
If not can These file be read on all HD-DVD and Blue Ray devices ?
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Toni,
No, most of those players don't play the wmv format (maybe the V1 HD format which I'm not familiar with). Could you create another thread on this topic please. I'd much rather stay to the original topic of this post because there are issues here that need to be clarified related to the burning module.We can continue file conversions in another thread.
Just one thing here guys, whether you disagree or agree with the program flow VS11+ is programmed to use a certain method or work flow.If you use the workflow of VS11+ as programmed it works quite well. The high points with VS is you have tons of options before going into the project burning module. By the way, in future posts maybe it would be better to use the term "Project Burning Module" in place of the "Burning Module".
Ken,
I've been so use to pre-rendering a mpeg2 file SD or HD I haven't used the method of carrying the project file over into the burning module very often. It's interesting you pointed out this is the "Project File" and not any rendered files you may have exported from the timeline. So when I go into the burning module and do carry over the timeline from VS the thumbnail uses the Saved projects filename. I never took notice to this until you pointed this out.
Larry,
Here is how VS11+ works on my machine. I'm curious if your first conversion that didn't go well was actually a standard dvd in 16:9 format that was created or the original mpeg2 file was drastically altered from it's original video/audio parameters.
When you go into the VS "Project Burning Module" (Share -> Create Disc). The first important parameters to setup are your "Preferences" along with the "Working Folder". After these are assigned then the "Project properties" need to be assigned/configured to the correct values. When the "Project Properties" are assigned to the correct values then VS will decide when to use or not use smartrender. Therefore when clicking on the "GEAR" Icon brings up the "Project Properties" that your final mpeg2 (sd or hd) will be rendered to on a sd/hd dvd. In this "Project Burning Module" you CAN set the video/audio specs to match your source material. In the case of converting hd-mpeg2, 25Mbs CBR video UFF this is possible along with a choice of the 3 audio formats (nice!).
I recommend to create Custom templates for using in the "Project Burning Module". Clicking on the lower left Icon and selecting "Disc Template Manager" allows one to create custom SD/HD templates that when setting up your "Project Settings" can be selected & applied. (This eliminates settings each individual parameter in the customize feature). I have many templates setup in this module both for SD & HD. Then I click on the GEAR Icon click on "Change Mpeg Settings" and select my custom template I created in the "Disc Template Manager".
Project Burning Module -> Disc Template Manager - In the Disc "Template Manager" make sure to select "HD-DVD Standard Content" in the "Disc Type" drop_down selection box (top right corner) to create HighDefinition Templates. All of the SD & HD parameters can be cutomized to the exact bitrates and audio settings. When working with hd-mpeg2 make sure the "Current Project Type" (lower left hand corner drop-down box) is set correctly. In my case of burning a hd-dvd this would be "HD Standard 15G or 30G".
Here is an example of my workflow in VS11+ to insert a HD-Mpeg2, 25Mbs@ CBR/UFF/mpeg audio@384kbs convert the video to have the same video attributes (not re-encoded, no loss of quality) but change the audio from mpeg audio to Dolby 2/0 or Dolby 5.1
1- Start VS11+ -> F6_key -> Assign working folder, quality = BEST -> OK/Exit. Save Project in Working Folder Directory.
2- Load video into timeline -> Ask to match project settings = Yes
2- Save project. Goto "Share -> Create Disk"
3- Hit F6_Key (Preferences), Assign "Working Folder" -> OK/Exit.
4- Click on Lower_Left_Dropdown box and select "HD Standard 15G as "Current Project Type"
5- Click on the GEAR Icon -> "Change Mpeg Settings" -> Select your custom Template you created in the Disc Template Manager -> OK/Exit
Using the above settings with source video(s) being mpeg2 sd/hd and the "Project Settings"FrameSize, Video_Bit_Rate, fielding, aspect_ratio, fielding, frame_rate all set EQUAL to your source video when the DVD or HD-DVD is created the "Project Burning Module" will use "SmartRender" for the video because the parameters of the source video equal the "Project Settings". If the audio is different then only the audio will be converted.
In my case I inserted an HD-Mpeg2 video 25Mbs,UFF with mpeg audio into VS timeline, went to "Create Disc" and created a HD-DVD 25Mbs,UFF with Dolby 2/0 audio on a HD-DVD (written to a standard single layered dvd).
I did this on a laptop 2.8Ghz 500FSB Non-HT Intel Cpu (HP Laptop), slow Harddisk (5400rpm). The source file was 5 minutes long.
Conversion of Title_1 (the video/audio mpeg2 file) took 5Minutes. Creating the menu's and dvd folders on the harddisk (Multi-Plexing) took about 4.5 minutes (slow harddisk on this laptop).
Source Video:
FrameSize = 1440x1080, FrameRate = 29.97fps, Upper_Field_First (UFF), 25000kbs CBR (25000kbs-Constant_Bit_Rate)
Audio = Mpeg Audio 16bit 48khz Stereo @ 384kbs
HD-DVD / HD-Mpeg2 Video on HD-DVD Disk:
FrameSize = 1440x1080, FrameRate = 29.97fps, Upper_Field_First (UFF), 25000kbs CBR (25000kbs-Constant_Bit_Rate)
Audio = Dolby Audio 2/0 - 16bit 48khz Stereo @ 256kbs
I'm very happy with these results.
Whether one agree's / disagree's with the "Project Burning Module" doesn't matter. It is what it is, if you use the module as programmed you will be pleased with the results. A most important point here is in the "Project Burning Module" when carrying a project file over from the timeline to match your source videos video/audio settings appropriately (So smart_render can do it's job).
No, most of those players don't play the wmv format (maybe the V1 HD format which I'm not familiar with). Could you create another thread on this topic please. I'd much rather stay to the original topic of this post because there are issues here that need to be clarified related to the burning module.We can continue file conversions in another thread.
Just one thing here guys, whether you disagree or agree with the program flow VS11+ is programmed to use a certain method or work flow.If you use the workflow of VS11+ as programmed it works quite well. The high points with VS is you have tons of options before going into the project burning module. By the way, in future posts maybe it would be better to use the term "Project Burning Module" in place of the "Burning Module".
Ken,
I've been so use to pre-rendering a mpeg2 file SD or HD I haven't used the method of carrying the project file over into the burning module very often. It's interesting you pointed out this is the "Project File" and not any rendered files you may have exported from the timeline. So when I go into the burning module and do carry over the timeline from VS the thumbnail uses the Saved projects filename. I never took notice to this until you pointed this out.
Larry,
Here is how VS11+ works on my machine. I'm curious if your first conversion that didn't go well was actually a standard dvd in 16:9 format that was created or the original mpeg2 file was drastically altered from it's original video/audio parameters.
When you go into the VS "Project Burning Module" (Share -> Create Disc). The first important parameters to setup are your "Preferences" along with the "Working Folder". After these are assigned then the "Project properties" need to be assigned/configured to the correct values. When the "Project Properties" are assigned to the correct values then VS will decide when to use or not use smartrender. Therefore when clicking on the "GEAR" Icon brings up the "Project Properties" that your final mpeg2 (sd or hd) will be rendered to on a sd/hd dvd. In this "Project Burning Module" you CAN set the video/audio specs to match your source material. In the case of converting hd-mpeg2, 25Mbs CBR video UFF this is possible along with a choice of the 3 audio formats (nice!).
I recommend to create Custom templates for using in the "Project Burning Module". Clicking on the lower left Icon and selecting "Disc Template Manager" allows one to create custom SD/HD templates that when setting up your "Project Settings" can be selected & applied. (This eliminates settings each individual parameter in the customize feature). I have many templates setup in this module both for SD & HD. Then I click on the GEAR Icon click on "Change Mpeg Settings" and select my custom template I created in the "Disc Template Manager".
Project Burning Module -> Disc Template Manager - In the Disc "Template Manager" make sure to select "HD-DVD Standard Content" in the "Disc Type" drop_down selection box (top right corner) to create HighDefinition Templates. All of the SD & HD parameters can be cutomized to the exact bitrates and audio settings. When working with hd-mpeg2 make sure the "Current Project Type" (lower left hand corner drop-down box) is set correctly. In my case of burning a hd-dvd this would be "HD Standard 15G or 30G".
Here is an example of my workflow in VS11+ to insert a HD-Mpeg2, 25Mbs@ CBR/UFF/mpeg audio@384kbs convert the video to have the same video attributes (not re-encoded, no loss of quality) but change the audio from mpeg audio to Dolby 2/0 or Dolby 5.1
1- Start VS11+ -> F6_key -> Assign working folder, quality = BEST -> OK/Exit. Save Project in Working Folder Directory.
2- Load video into timeline -> Ask to match project settings = Yes
2- Save project. Goto "Share -> Create Disk"
3- Hit F6_Key (Preferences), Assign "Working Folder" -> OK/Exit.
4- Click on Lower_Left_Dropdown box and select "HD Standard 15G as "Current Project Type"
5- Click on the GEAR Icon -> "Change Mpeg Settings" -> Select your custom Template you created in the Disc Template Manager -> OK/Exit
Using the above settings with source video(s) being mpeg2 sd/hd and the "Project Settings"FrameSize, Video_Bit_Rate, fielding, aspect_ratio, fielding, frame_rate all set EQUAL to your source video when the DVD or HD-DVD is created the "Project Burning Module" will use "SmartRender" for the video because the parameters of the source video equal the "Project Settings". If the audio is different then only the audio will be converted.
In my case I inserted an HD-Mpeg2 video 25Mbs,UFF with mpeg audio into VS timeline, went to "Create Disc" and created a HD-DVD 25Mbs,UFF with Dolby 2/0 audio on a HD-DVD (written to a standard single layered dvd).
I did this on a laptop 2.8Ghz 500FSB Non-HT Intel Cpu (HP Laptop), slow Harddisk (5400rpm). The source file was 5 minutes long.
Conversion of Title_1 (the video/audio mpeg2 file) took 5Minutes. Creating the menu's and dvd folders on the harddisk (Multi-Plexing) took about 4.5 minutes (slow harddisk on this laptop).
Source Video:
FrameSize = 1440x1080, FrameRate = 29.97fps, Upper_Field_First (UFF), 25000kbs CBR (25000kbs-Constant_Bit_Rate)
Audio = Mpeg Audio 16bit 48khz Stereo @ 384kbs
HD-DVD / HD-Mpeg2 Video on HD-DVD Disk:
FrameSize = 1440x1080, FrameRate = 29.97fps, Upper_Field_First (UFF), 25000kbs CBR (25000kbs-Constant_Bit_Rate)
Audio = Dolby Audio 2/0 - 16bit 48khz Stereo @ 256kbs
I'm very happy with these results.
Whether one agree's / disagree's with the "Project Burning Module" doesn't matter. It is what it is, if you use the module as programmed you will be pleased with the results. A most important point here is in the "Project Burning Module" when carrying a project file over from the timeline to match your source videos video/audio settings appropriately (So smart_render can do it's job).
etech6355,
I have attempted to exactly replicate your workflow, with hopes that I will avoid the current 2-step process I have found to work well (and have described below as a footnote*).
Using your prior post as a reference, I hit a snag. When I import a video into the timeline using any of the 3 methods described in the VS11+ User Manual, I am not given the option "Ask to match project settings" / reply = Yes per your workflow step 2. My own workflow process has been to manually configure the Project Preferences for HDV content, 1440 CBR, 25Mbit, UFF, etc. when I first open VS11+, before import of any files, and I am not aware of how to force VS11+ to prompt me to use the file settings for the project.
I have been using Custom Templates for burning HD DVDs and other disks all long, and have, as you would expect, chosen the template appropriate for HD DVD disks the same as you have specified, 1440 etc. , typically Dolby 2.0 for audio as well.
My "intuition" is that one should be able to move from tab to tab, left to right, performing each step sequentially, and that the end-to-end result should be of the same high quality and minimal rendering. It certainly is not. Counter to this, I am forced to only go through the tabs up to "Share" so as to Create an intermediate video file, save it, re-import it, and then do the burn.
Perhaps your workflow, in which there is an option to conform the project settings to the file settings avoids this extra step. Setting the Project Properties manually at the onset of using VS11+ and then attempting to move from tab to tab with a finished high quality HD DVD does not work when manual project properties are specified up-front per my method, but perhaps your prompted method solves this problem??
Thanks for your guidance and inputs.
Larry
*My current process:step 1 being to set Project Properties for HDV content and then import HDV content to the VS timeline and save it as a video file, and step 2 to re-import this video file into the "Project Burning Module" (Using the Share Tab and Create Disk option followed by an Open File to re-load in the file) with the proper HDDVD template to burn the disk. Unless I go through both steps, and merely select the Share Tab followed by Create Disk with the previous HDV timeline content retained (as opposed to re-imported), the resulting HD image quality suffers noticeably and the rendering process is performed. Also, please note none of my comments in any portion of this thread relate to standard DVD creation whatsover for either my initial complaint or any subsequent discussion thereafter. This standard DVD commentary has become a irrelevant and confusing matter since it was somehow introduced into the thread by others.
Larry
I have attempted to exactly replicate your workflow, with hopes that I will avoid the current 2-step process I have found to work well (and have described below as a footnote*).
Using your prior post as a reference, I hit a snag. When I import a video into the timeline using any of the 3 methods described in the VS11+ User Manual, I am not given the option "Ask to match project settings" / reply = Yes per your workflow step 2. My own workflow process has been to manually configure the Project Preferences for HDV content, 1440 CBR, 25Mbit, UFF, etc. when I first open VS11+, before import of any files, and I am not aware of how to force VS11+ to prompt me to use the file settings for the project.
I have been using Custom Templates for burning HD DVDs and other disks all long, and have, as you would expect, chosen the template appropriate for HD DVD disks the same as you have specified, 1440 etc. , typically Dolby 2.0 for audio as well.
My "intuition" is that one should be able to move from tab to tab, left to right, performing each step sequentially, and that the end-to-end result should be of the same high quality and minimal rendering. It certainly is not. Counter to this, I am forced to only go through the tabs up to "Share" so as to Create an intermediate video file, save it, re-import it, and then do the burn.
Perhaps your workflow, in which there is an option to conform the project settings to the file settings avoids this extra step. Setting the Project Properties manually at the onset of using VS11+ and then attempting to move from tab to tab with a finished high quality HD DVD does not work when manual project properties are specified up-front per my method, but perhaps your prompted method solves this problem??
Thanks for your guidance and inputs.
Larry
*My current process:step 1 being to set Project Properties for HDV content and then import HDV content to the VS timeline and save it as a video file, and step 2 to re-import this video file into the "Project Burning Module" (Using the Share Tab and Create Disk option followed by an Open File to re-load in the file) with the proper HDDVD template to burn the disk. Unless I go through both steps, and merely select the Share Tab followed by Create Disk with the previous HDV timeline content retained (as opposed to re-imported), the resulting HD image quality suffers noticeably and the rendering process is performed. Also, please note none of my comments in any portion of this thread relate to standard DVD creation whatsover for either my initial complaint or any subsequent discussion thereafter. This standard DVD commentary has become a irrelevant and confusing matter since it was somehow introduced into the thread by others.
Larry
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Thanks Ken very much. We are now at the very crux of the problem, and I now see what caused the re-rendering, a bug in VS11+.
The missing message was missing because I had once, upon first using this new program, instructed it to ***always*** convert the project settings to the file settings when doing a video insert to the timeline. Once I made this "Yes" choice and also checked the box to "never warn again" and "always convert automatically", the message no longer appeared, and I frankly forgot that I had once made this selection.
If the program worked properly, this would have not been a problem. Instead, the ***always*** selection actually (due to a bug in VS11+) ***never*** modified the project settings, thereby leaving the project in its' default 720 by 480 low bit rate standard def setting. I had assumed, based on trusting the program, that the correct HDV project resolution had been chosen when in
reality it was maintaining a 720 by 480 time line unbeknowst to me.
Therefore........when I discovered that the only work-around which preserved my content was to render out to an intermediate file, and then re-import this same file, what I was accomplishing (again unbeknownst to me) was a proper HDV output rendering rather than the incorrect, far lower resolution and far slower downsampling to 720 by 480, which was then, in the sdubsequent burning stage, being burned at 1440 by 1080 with the obvious penalties of both crummy resolution, far lower bit rate, and a lot of rendering time. As I have said from the start, VS11+ took far longer and did re-rendering, produced a very inferior picture, and did not behave at all intuitively in workflow.
I think you will be able to confirm this bug by choosing the ***always convert*** automnatic option in the video insert step, and then go back and start up VS11+ and insert HDV content. You will see that it "forgets" the previously chosen ***always**** selection, and ignores the HDV format entirely but gives no warning.
Now that I know that this bug is present, I have chosen the "Yes" option but, most importantly.......I do ***NOT TICK THE BOX TITLED*** "Do Not offer this Message Again....Always Change Project Settings" since I now know that this choice will subsequently be ignored, without warning, leaving the resolution, but rate, etc. set to standard def settings rather than HDV with the resulting issue I originally posted.
Thanks to you etech and Ken for working this problem. Hopefully, as I said originally Ulead will fix this bug so I can tell people as I previously stated........
What I will tell people like you and stelch is that Ulead has now fixed VS11+ to work properly so that I no longer need to first create a video file and then re-import it into the burning program as I previously was forced to do. I will also tell them that VS11+ now only re-renders if and when it needs to, rather than doing so unnecessarily.
The missing message was missing because I had once, upon first using this new program, instructed it to ***always*** convert the project settings to the file settings when doing a video insert to the timeline. Once I made this "Yes" choice and also checked the box to "never warn again" and "always convert automatically", the message no longer appeared, and I frankly forgot that I had once made this selection.
If the program worked properly, this would have not been a problem. Instead, the ***always*** selection actually (due to a bug in VS11+) ***never*** modified the project settings, thereby leaving the project in its' default 720 by 480 low bit rate standard def setting. I had assumed, based on trusting the program, that the correct HDV project resolution had been chosen when in
reality it was maintaining a 720 by 480 time line unbeknowst to me.
Therefore........when I discovered that the only work-around which preserved my content was to render out to an intermediate file, and then re-import this same file, what I was accomplishing (again unbeknownst to me) was a proper HDV output rendering rather than the incorrect, far lower resolution and far slower downsampling to 720 by 480, which was then, in the sdubsequent burning stage, being burned at 1440 by 1080 with the obvious penalties of both crummy resolution, far lower bit rate, and a lot of rendering time. As I have said from the start, VS11+ took far longer and did re-rendering, produced a very inferior picture, and did not behave at all intuitively in workflow.
I think you will be able to confirm this bug by choosing the ***always convert*** automnatic option in the video insert step, and then go back and start up VS11+ and insert HDV content. You will see that it "forgets" the previously chosen ***always**** selection, and ignores the HDV format entirely but gives no warning.
Now that I know that this bug is present, I have chosen the "Yes" option but, most importantly.......I do ***NOT TICK THE BOX TITLED*** "Do Not offer this Message Again....Always Change Project Settings" since I now know that this choice will subsequently be ignored, without warning, leaving the resolution, but rate, etc. set to standard def settings rather than HDV with the resulting issue I originally posted.
Thanks to you etech and Ken for working this problem. Hopefully, as I said originally Ulead will fix this bug so I can tell people as I previously stated........
What I will tell people like you and stelch is that Ulead has now fixed VS11+ to work properly so that I no longer need to first create a video file and then re-import it into the burning program as I previously was forced to do. I will also tell them that VS11+ now only re-renders if and when it needs to, rather than doing so unnecessarily.
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Could you remind me where the control is that allows you to do that?Ken,
The checkbox control is on the same dialog as you see when inserting a video clip to the timeline. On the upper porttion of the dialog is the question / prompt which asks: 'Do you want to change the Project Settings to Match the Video Properties' with buttons for "Yes", "No", and "Details" and immediately below that question is the check box and further option stating 'Don't show this message again. Always change project settings'. Once that lower box for 'Don't Show message agin/Always Change settings has been checked, the prompt no longer is offered whatsoever to allow you to select whether to convert or not when inserting any future video clip to the timeline. The conversion supposedly will always take place if you had chosen "Yes", and never take place if you had chosen "No". In fact, due to the bug, the conversion ***NEVER*** takes place on future insertions regardless of your choice.
Going into the Preferences, checking the box you identified ('Show message when inserting first video into timeline') and then restarting VS11 brings back the dialog box with both controls again.
Thanks again for your assistance,
Larry
The checkbox control is on the same dialog as you see when inserting a video clip to the timeline. On the upper porttion of the dialog is the question / prompt which asks: 'Do you want to change the Project Settings to Match the Video Properties' with buttons for "Yes", "No", and "Details" and immediately below that question is the check box and further option stating 'Don't show this message again. Always change project settings'. Once that lower box for 'Don't Show message agin/Always Change settings has been checked, the prompt no longer is offered whatsoever to allow you to select whether to convert or not when inserting any future video clip to the timeline. The conversion supposedly will always take place if you had chosen "Yes", and never take place if you had chosen "No". In fact, due to the bug, the conversion ***NEVER*** takes place on future insertions regardless of your choice.
Going into the Preferences, checking the box you identified ('Show message when inserting first video into timeline') and then restarting VS11 brings back the dialog box with both controls again.
Thanks again for your assistance,
Larry
VideoStudio, although some can consider it an entry level editor has many advanced features that other Semi-Pro Editors contain. Like it or not it is an advanced editor. All advanced editors require one to setup the projects manually for proper operation. These are not bugs, it is the normal work flow of a video editor program, you control the program, it's designed so you can control the program (a necessary step for advanced authoring. The biggest advantage with using VS & most other ulead products are the ulead products let you customize all the fine settings. All VideoStudio's settings are automatic for the creation of dv.avi to create a dvd for home use. Anything other than this is customized, as in all video editing software, not just VS. You have control everything.What I will tell people like you and stelch is that Ulead has now fixed VS11+ to work properly so that I no longer need to first create a video file and then re-import it into the burning program as I previously was forced to do. I will also tell them that VS11+ now only re-renders if and when it needs to, rather than doing so unnecessarily.
This is in the VS10 Users Manual:
As we can see by the above quotes most users do not read the manual and call this a bug. It's not a bug, it's printed directly in the "Users Manual" to setup your "Output Format" to create a CD/DVD/HD-DVD.Setting your preferences:
Customize the program's working environment through the Preferences dialog box. You can specify a working folder for saving files, set undo levels, choose preferred settings for program behavior, enable Smart Proxy and more.
Setting project properties
Project Properties serve as your template for previewing your movie projects. The project settings in the Project Properties dialog box determine the appearance and quality of a project when it is previewed on-screen. To customize project settings, select File: Project Properties. Then customizing project settings, it is recommended that you make the settings the same as the attributes of the video footage that will be captured to avoid distorting the video images and have smooth playback without jumping frames.
Burning a DVD, VCD, SVCD or HD DVD
Click Create Disc in the Options Panel to output your project (together with other VideoStudio projects or videos) to create a DVD, VCD, SVCD and HD DVD. In the dialog box that opens, first choose an output format. Second, decide whether you want to add other projects and videos.
Larry,
I believe you still need to recheck your workflow using VS to get the program to work for your projects. This requires settings in both the user timeline interface project settings & the Project burning module project settings. I would create a "HD Project Template", I would do this on an empty project, set the "Preferences"(F6 HotKey) , "Project Settings"(ALT+ENTER Hotkeys), go into the "Project Burning Module" and set the "Project Settings"(GEAR Icon), then exit the Project Burn Module and save the project. Use this as a template for future projects.
These are not bugs at all, this is the normal work flow method that all video editing software works. "Not being able to set my project settings manually in the timeline to 1440x1080@25Mbs may be a bug, we will have to look into this". This will cause problems in the work flow when going to "Share -> Create Video File -> Same as Project Settings".
When using the famous $700.00 program called Vegas you have to assign your working directory, project settings, pre-render directories and other settings "Manually". Then when you render your mpeg2 file you have to set all the encoding parameters manually. Then after creating a mpeg2 file to create a dvd you use "DVD Arch". In DVD Arch you have to setup all the settings again "Manually". Yet, this is a $700.00+ program. Vegas uses 2 separate programs while VS contains the 2 programs in one interface.
Enough said, I'd much rather converse about the new features of VS11+ and how to product the best videos, customize effects, re-rendering, outputting to different formats etc.. So far, a very nice product.
Lets discuss video with VS11+ and have some fun! After all that's why we use the program.
My workflow has always been to set Project Properties first, and indeed I do so in Vegas, Final Cut, and all the other NLEs I have here in my classroom / lab. Regardless of what the user has or has not set up as Project Preferences, however, VS11 upon the very first time you attempt to insert a video clip asks you whether you want to ***always*** use the video properties as the project properties, and never to be asked / reminded again, and I naturally chose "Yes" and "Do not ask again / Always Convert Automatically". I made this choice since I exclusively do HD DVDs with HDV and want to always keep this and all future projects in this mode.
There really is one and only one assumption a person can draw......namely that all subsequent insertions of HDV video will automatically, and with no further prompting, have the same conversion performed. Why else would anybody chose "Don Not Ask Again / Always Convert"?
VS11 then ***NEVER*** converts and doesn't ask again.
If this isn't a bug, what is it called when a program says it is doing one thing but then does the opposite ???
I clearly understand the distinction between the editor and burning step, and indeed use 2 different applications in most of my other NLE/authoring systems to accomplish what VS11 does in one program / 2 "modules". It is not the least bit uncommon or counterintuitive for me to take rendered files from Vegas and bring them into DVD Architect, to take rendered files from FCP and bring them into DVD Studio Pro, to take rendered files from Adobe Premiere and bring them into DVD Lab, etc. Indeed I have authored several thousand different DVDs using these suites (as well as Video Studio) for 6 years now, so maintaining separate settings and having disk burning templates is neither a new or especially complex topic as far as I am concerned, and not one worthy of perhaps more than a line or two of written discussion.
I am very sorry this thread has become so torturous, but I totally believe that VS11 has a misleading and insidious bug which misleads the user and creates this problem. I have also had enough discussion on this point, and would gladly consider this topic now 'resolved'. I too would like to go on to other yet-unclear issues with the new VS11, in particular how to use the DeNoise, DeBlock, and DeSnow filters.
Thanks again to both of you for your exceptional help,
Larry
There really is one and only one assumption a person can draw......namely that all subsequent insertions of HDV video will automatically, and with no further prompting, have the same conversion performed. Why else would anybody chose "Don Not Ask Again / Always Convert"?
VS11 then ***NEVER*** converts and doesn't ask again.
If this isn't a bug, what is it called when a program says it is doing one thing but then does the opposite ???
I clearly understand the distinction between the editor and burning step, and indeed use 2 different applications in most of my other NLE/authoring systems to accomplish what VS11 does in one program / 2 "modules". It is not the least bit uncommon or counterintuitive for me to take rendered files from Vegas and bring them into DVD Architect, to take rendered files from FCP and bring them into DVD Studio Pro, to take rendered files from Adobe Premiere and bring them into DVD Lab, etc. Indeed I have authored several thousand different DVDs using these suites (as well as Video Studio) for 6 years now, so maintaining separate settings and having disk burning templates is neither a new or especially complex topic as far as I am concerned, and not one worthy of perhaps more than a line or two of written discussion.
I am very sorry this thread has become so torturous, but I totally believe that VS11 has a misleading and insidious bug which misleads the user and creates this problem. I have also had enough discussion on this point, and would gladly consider this topic now 'resolved'. I too would like to go on to other yet-unclear issues with the new VS11, in particular how to use the DeNoise, DeBlock, and DeSnow filters.
Thanks again to both of you for your exceptional help,
Larry