I hear what you say but....
This is a Ulead USER to USER Web Board. We like yourself are all customers of Ulead and not employees. I can only give you my observations.
These are that InterVideo Ulead has begun releasing Vista patches for its products and has begun with those that are its biggest sellers such as PhotoImpact, VideoStudio, MovieFactory.
Whether or not InterVideo Ulead continues to release patches for its other products remains to be seen. The future of the various InterVideo Ulead products will be like any other product manufactured by a profit making Company. If its it profitable for them to do so they will, if it makes a loss it will be dropped.
As far as I am aware they do not publish their balance sheets for us to peruse.
They certainly would not state "Sorry guys we are not developing this product further" because like any other profit making concern, they have changes of Management. This past 12 months alone has seen two such changes. Firstly Intervideo merged with Ulead, then along came Corel who are now our 'masters.'
A change of management brings with it a change of policy or direction.
So let us suppose that Intervideo decided to drop something, Corel could easily reverse that decision and pick it up again.
This happens with Governments. last year the British Government spent millions of pounds preparing to merge 47 Police Forces to become 12.
A Minister was replaced in the Home Office and the whole thing was scrapped.
MediaStudio Pro 8 and Windows Vista
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Hmmm... interesting debate here and in a number of similar threads.
I take it that there is no reason why ANY software company MUST make a version of its software to run on ANY chosen OS.
I'm not a Mac user, but I'm sure there must be plenty of great Mac apps that run only on MacOS. If the makers of those apps made them for Windows as well, they might make more money. Their call.
Likewise, Corel/Ulead/Intervideo doesn't have to make its apps work on Vista or MacOS or anything else if they don't want to. Their call, too.
Here's the rub: Vista is here, and it's selling fast. Yes, I know many sales are on new PCs and the buyers don't get a choice. Yes, I know that some have found Vista to be unstable. Yes, I know Vista doesn't support many old programs and old pieces of hardware. But it's here, and it isn't going away, and as time passes, more and more installed PCs will be running Vista.
Seems to me that software makers are looking at a dwindling market opportunity if they DON'T make their products Vista-compatible. As the share of XP PCs decreases in the field (and it undoubtedly will), the opportunity to make new sales of XP-only apps will diminish. In fact, it will diminish faster than the rate of growth of Vista installations as people look for Vista-compatibility as a purchasing criterion. ("I run XP today, but my next PC will probably run Vista and so any apps I buy today need to have a clear Vista roadmap.")
Hardware and software makers are dealing with the Vista issues in various ways:
1.) some have released Vista updates to existing products (Corel/Ulead/Intervideo did this for DMF5, VS10 and PI12);
2.) some have released statements of future compatibility (product roadmaps);
3.) some have done nothing.
I draw my own conclusions based on the various responses (using the same numbering scheme as the paragraph above):
1.) it's safe to buy the product - because it already works on Vista
2.) it's probably safe to buy the product - it will be difficult for the maker to go back on a public statement
3.) if the manufacturer had any intention of modifying the product to work on Vista, they would have either done something or said something by now - the product will not be developed for Vista.
In other words, though I know and love MSP8, and though I have spoken strongly in defence of MSP8 in the past (I've recommended it to many as representing far and away the best bang-for-the-buck amongst pro-sumer editing software), I have concluded that the product will see no further development. If Corel/Ulead/Intervideo had plans for Vista compatibility, they'd make them public - they'll be losing new sales hand-over-fist RIGHT NOW because of lack of a statement on Vista.
By contrast:
Sony Vegas: "Sony Media Software plans to fully support Windows Vista. All new major-version releases in 2007 will support 32-bit versions of Windows Vista. For example, a major-version release would be 4.0 to 5.0. Please note: product versions that do not currently support Windows Vista will not receive Windows Vista support through an update (e.g. 4.0 to 4.0a)."
Adobe Premiere Pro: PremPro CS3 works on Vista; full Vista compatibility declaration (product by product) published.
Avid Liquid: I can't find a statement from the company, but latest v7.2 seems to work OK on Vista.
FinalCut: does NOT work on Vista!
So...
1. I hear the comments and warnings about using Vista as a platform for video editing...
... and ...
2. I understand that there have been changes in ownership, and that such changes can cause product plans to be similarly changed...
... but ...
... I conclude from the total silence on Corel/Ulead/Intervideo's part that there is no plan for Vista compatibility for MSP (8 or future), and I therefore conclude that the product has gone as far as it's going to go.
Which is sad, but understandable. MSP hasn't garnered significant market share and undoubtedly requires major investment to take 'the next step' (whatever that may be). No business is going to invest in a product when they don't see a return coming from said investment.
Bottom line (my own thinking):
* If you're happy running XP, you can keep using MSP8 into the future. Don't hold your breath waiting for an upgrade!
* If you want to keep using MSP8, you MUST NOT install Vista.
* If you install Vista, you have to wave goodbye to MSP, probably forever (unless you have another PC with XP or you set up a 'dual boot' configuration).
I'm not angry over any of this. I accept it as a commercial reality. C'est la vie!
I take it that there is no reason why ANY software company MUST make a version of its software to run on ANY chosen OS.
I'm not a Mac user, but I'm sure there must be plenty of great Mac apps that run only on MacOS. If the makers of those apps made them for Windows as well, they might make more money. Their call.
Likewise, Corel/Ulead/Intervideo doesn't have to make its apps work on Vista or MacOS or anything else if they don't want to. Their call, too.
Here's the rub: Vista is here, and it's selling fast. Yes, I know many sales are on new PCs and the buyers don't get a choice. Yes, I know that some have found Vista to be unstable. Yes, I know Vista doesn't support many old programs and old pieces of hardware. But it's here, and it isn't going away, and as time passes, more and more installed PCs will be running Vista.
Seems to me that software makers are looking at a dwindling market opportunity if they DON'T make their products Vista-compatible. As the share of XP PCs decreases in the field (and it undoubtedly will), the opportunity to make new sales of XP-only apps will diminish. In fact, it will diminish faster than the rate of growth of Vista installations as people look for Vista-compatibility as a purchasing criterion. ("I run XP today, but my next PC will probably run Vista and so any apps I buy today need to have a clear Vista roadmap.")
Hardware and software makers are dealing with the Vista issues in various ways:
1.) some have released Vista updates to existing products (Corel/Ulead/Intervideo did this for DMF5, VS10 and PI12);
2.) some have released statements of future compatibility (product roadmaps);
3.) some have done nothing.
I draw my own conclusions based on the various responses (using the same numbering scheme as the paragraph above):
1.) it's safe to buy the product - because it already works on Vista
2.) it's probably safe to buy the product - it will be difficult for the maker to go back on a public statement
3.) if the manufacturer had any intention of modifying the product to work on Vista, they would have either done something or said something by now - the product will not be developed for Vista.
In other words, though I know and love MSP8, and though I have spoken strongly in defence of MSP8 in the past (I've recommended it to many as representing far and away the best bang-for-the-buck amongst pro-sumer editing software), I have concluded that the product will see no further development. If Corel/Ulead/Intervideo had plans for Vista compatibility, they'd make them public - they'll be losing new sales hand-over-fist RIGHT NOW because of lack of a statement on Vista.
By contrast:
Sony Vegas: "Sony Media Software plans to fully support Windows Vista. All new major-version releases in 2007 will support 32-bit versions of Windows Vista. For example, a major-version release would be 4.0 to 5.0. Please note: product versions that do not currently support Windows Vista will not receive Windows Vista support through an update (e.g. 4.0 to 4.0a)."
Adobe Premiere Pro: PremPro CS3 works on Vista; full Vista compatibility declaration (product by product) published.
Avid Liquid: I can't find a statement from the company, but latest v7.2 seems to work OK on Vista.
FinalCut: does NOT work on Vista!
So...
1. I hear the comments and warnings about using Vista as a platform for video editing...
... and ...
2. I understand that there have been changes in ownership, and that such changes can cause product plans to be similarly changed...
... but ...
... I conclude from the total silence on Corel/Ulead/Intervideo's part that there is no plan for Vista compatibility for MSP (8 or future), and I therefore conclude that the product has gone as far as it's going to go.
Which is sad, but understandable. MSP hasn't garnered significant market share and undoubtedly requires major investment to take 'the next step' (whatever that may be). No business is going to invest in a product when they don't see a return coming from said investment.
Bottom line (my own thinking):
* If you're happy running XP, you can keep using MSP8 into the future. Don't hold your breath waiting for an upgrade!
* If you want to keep using MSP8, you MUST NOT install Vista.
* If you install Vista, you have to wave goodbye to MSP, probably forever (unless you have another PC with XP or you set up a 'dual boot' configuration).
I'm not angry over any of this. I accept it as a commercial reality. C'est la vie!
Video editing PC:
C2D E6600 CPU on Asus motherboard
2GB dual channel DDR2 RAM
7600GT PCIe video card
320GB RAID 1 SATA system drive
400GB RAID 1 SATA documents drive
400GB video drive
Samsung and Pioneer DVD burners
Vista Home Premium 32 bit
C2D E6600 CPU on Asus motherboard
2GB dual channel DDR2 RAM
7600GT PCIe video card
320GB RAID 1 SATA system drive
400GB RAID 1 SATA documents drive
400GB video drive
Samsung and Pioneer DVD burners
Vista Home Premium 32 bit
Just one minor correction... It is not the 32bit version that sony will introduce (this is already here) At NAB this year Sony officially announced it will begin work on the 64bit version and should be out towards the end of the year.Sony Vegas: "Sony Media Software plans to fully support Windows Vista. All new major-version releases in 2007 will support 32-bit versions of Windows Vista. For example, a major-version release would be 4.0 to 5.0. Please note: product versions that do not currently support Windows Vista will not receive Windows Vista support through an update (e.g. 4.0 to 4.0a)."
A 64bit program run on a 64bit base should be pretty bloody fast!!!
Avid liquid 7 is not certified to run on Vista at this time, although MOST of it does work... there are some capture problems however.
Absolutely untrue. Quite apart from various UNIX flavours on appropriate hardware and which are inevitably more stable than ANYTHING ever produced by Microsoft, the best and most stable OS for PCs was undoubtedly MS-DOS 6.2. Nothing produced since has been or will be a patch on it. Don't laugh, but it was distributed on three 1.4 Mb floppies and installed on a mere 7 Mb of HDD space, yet it already had the beginnings of bloatware. Let's see, Vista takes at least 10 Gb, 1,400 times more. I can't type this message any faster or more reliably than I could have done on a 386 25 MHz running MS-DOS 13 years ago. And, yes, I had a video proggy running then and it never crashed.markjayne wrote: Sure Vista has its problems, didn't XP, but don't fool yourself in thinking its not going to be the best OS yet.
[b][i][color=red]Devil[/color][/i][/b]
[size=84]P4 Core 2 Duo 2.6 GHz/Elite NVidia NF650iSLIT-A/2 Gb dual channel FSB 1333 MHz/Gainward NVidia 7300/2 x 80 Gb, 1 x 300 Gb, 1 x 200 Gb/DVCAM DRV-1000P drive/ Pan NV-DX1&-DX100/MSP8/WS2/PI11/C3D etc.[/size]
[size=84]P4 Core 2 Duo 2.6 GHz/Elite NVidia NF650iSLIT-A/2 Gb dual channel FSB 1333 MHz/Gainward NVidia 7300/2 x 80 Gb, 1 x 300 Gb, 1 x 200 Gb/DVCAM DRV-1000P drive/ Pan NV-DX1&-DX100/MSP8/WS2/PI11/C3D etc.[/size]
i couldn't agree more. I have vista/xp dual boot, and I've pretty much gone back to xp. Vista takes up a lot more room. There is some advantage if you're on an office network or something like that because of the added security... but for the HOME user anyway, there is no real advantage... the security in fact kind of gets in the way. MAYBE when 64bit systems become a bit more standard, there will be an advantage to going Vista... but for the moment, XP works just as well and Vista becomes not much more than a sidestep.Devil wrote:Absolutely untrue. Quite apart from various UNIX flavours on appropriate hardware and which are inevitably more stable than ANYTHING ever produced by Microsoft, the best and most stable OS for PCs was undoubtedly MS-DOS 6.2. Nothing produced since has been or will be a patch on it. Don't laugh, but it was distributed on three 1.4 Mb floppies and installed on a mere 7 Mb of HDD space, yet it already had the beginnings of bloatware. Let's see, Vista takes at least 10 Gb, 1,400 times more. I can't type this message any faster or more reliably than I could have done on a 386 25 MHz running MS-DOS 13 years ago. And, yes, I had a video proggy running then and it never crashed.markjayne wrote: Sure Vista has its problems, didn't XP, but don't fool yourself in thinking its not going to be the best OS yet.
Dos 6.2 is GOOD... still use it today. I have an old file management program called WONDER that works with 6.2.... comes on a 5 and a 1/4 floppy... I can do things with it and 6.2 that windows just can't do. What's even better is DOS7 (the somewhat hidden dos that comes with win98)... with it you can access fat32 partitions.
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WesleyS