Is there a way to import elementary streams into MF 3.5? I want to use PCM audio instead of mpeg 2. I know that you can use PCM if MF 3.5 imports or captures and converts video files with audio, but I need to import the elementary streams seperately.
I have an mpeg video file containing no audio, done with Canopus Procoder from the Edius timeline. (I prefer the encoding flexibility of Procoder). Apparently I cannot produce a program stream mpeg file with imbedded PCM audio. I tried that both with Procoder, and with the MainConcept plugin in Vegas. I'm new to DVDs, so I'm not quite up to speed about what can and cannot be done.
I have a PCM audio file created from the timeline. I imported the mpeg video stream into MF, went to the enhance video section, imported the seperate audio PCM file in there. Now when I preview the project, the audio is there. However, when I actually burn the DVD, the program says it is multiplexing audio and video and burns the DVD, but when I play the DVD back, there is no audio. I've tried varoius combinations of settings in MF 3.5 with no success, so evidently audio must be contained in the mpeg program stream, and you cannot correctly import seperate audio and video elementary streams, unless I'm missing something.
Any ideas? Hope I'm clear about the problem.
Thanks.
Tom
Importing elementary streams into Movie Factory 3.5
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Hi plasma, I believe the DVD player you use is an NTSC one, right? Remember to set the audio in project settings to be LPCM or Dolby Digital, this is because most NTSC DVD players will not support to play DVDs with MPEG audio.
Hope this helps.
H.T.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks htchien. Nice to see you here.
Let me rephrase the question:
Is there a way to import seperate audio and video elementary streams created by a different application into MF instead of just program streams? Maybe I could create a vob file with the other application and bring that in. That should work, now that I think of it. I'll try it tonight.
Thanks and have a great weekend!
Tom
Let me rephrase the question:
Is there a way to import seperate audio and video elementary streams created by a different application into MF instead of just program streams? Maybe I could create a vob file with the other application and bring that in. That should work, now that I think of it. I'll try it tonight.
Thanks and have a great weekend!
Tom
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Hi,
Procoder create's a PS. It's there your missing the
option somehow.
Samething with Vegas. It's in the MainConcept export screen.
Anyway, that was a bug with MF3 that was supposedly fixed in one of the
latest updates.
You goto the import audio menu and set the mpg stream that has
no audio volume to 0 and set the imported audio to 100.
But, in one of the updates (I think the latest), they fixed that so
they say.
Goto the website and read the updates and what they address fixing.
Also for MF you do need to apply the updates. NOT actually the
cd/dvd burning patch or burning engine updates UNLESS your actually
having problems burning a dvd.
Hope this helps,
MD
Procoder create's a PS. It's there your missing the
option somehow.
Samething with Vegas. It's in the MainConcept export screen.
Anyway, that was a bug with MF3 that was supposedly fixed in one of the
latest updates.
You goto the import audio menu and set the mpg stream that has
no audio volume to 0 and set the imported audio to 100.
But, in one of the updates (I think the latest), they fixed that so
they say.
Goto the website and read the updates and what they address fixing.
Also for MF you do need to apply the updates. NOT actually the
cd/dvd burning patch or burning engine updates UNLESS your actually
having problems burning a dvd.
Hope this helps,
MD
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plasma_video
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You would think
I'm so new at this DVD aspect (been editing video for a long time) that I might not be understanding some important concepts, I realize.
That said, in Vegas with the MainConcept plug-in there is no option to create a program stream with PCM audio, only mpeg. In the help menu it states that you generate the PCM stream seperately as a WAV file and then bring both into your authoring program to multiplex them there.
In Procoder, the option exists, but so far I have not created one program stream that has audio, using the PCM option, so I'm guessing it is not the proper way to do it, and you use the authoring program to multiplex the a/v stream.
I have downloaded the MF update, and as I mentioned in the earlier post I imported the audio independently in as PCM. In preview, it works with the independent streams ( I import the mpeg video only stream first, and then add the PCM audio to the audio track in enhance video), but a burned DVD has no audio. I'm going to play a bit tonight and see if I'm missing something, as well as spend a little time on the internet looking at DVD related standards and practices.
The only reason for this exercise was that I wanted to use the full power and options of the Procoder and MainConcept mpeg encoders. Perhaps the Ulead encoder is as good or better. I'll just have to experiment.
Thanks for your time. If I find an answer, I'll post again.
Tom
That said, in Vegas with the MainConcept plug-in there is no option to create a program stream with PCM audio, only mpeg. In the help menu it states that you generate the PCM stream seperately as a WAV file and then bring both into your authoring program to multiplex them there.
In Procoder, the option exists, but so far I have not created one program stream that has audio, using the PCM option, so I'm guessing it is not the proper way to do it, and you use the authoring program to multiplex the a/v stream.
I have downloaded the MF update, and as I mentioned in the earlier post I imported the audio independently in as PCM. In preview, it works with the independent streams ( I import the mpeg video only stream first, and then add the PCM audio to the audio track in enhance video), but a burned DVD has no audio. I'm going to play a bit tonight and see if I'm missing something, as well as spend a little time on the internet looking at DVD related standards and practices.
The only reason for this exercise was that I wanted to use the full power and options of the Procoder and MainConcept mpeg encoders. Perhaps the Ulead encoder is as good or better. I'll just have to experiment.
Thanks for your time. If I find an answer, I'll post again.
Tom
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Tom,
Both of the other programs default to separate streams because most
professional dvd apps use that method. Many apps like
Ulead DVD Workshop 2 you can make your own commentary track and
put that in as a choice for playing back. That's nice.
In Sony Vegas Dvd Architech when you import a mpv or mpg if there is
a matching filename in the same directory for the audio stream it's
automatcally loaded.
What is happening to you was a bug for a while. Maybe still is??
Shouldn't be happening. It happened to me when I tried to import a
separate audio track. If the original video had NO audio at all it wouldn't work.
If the original video has any audio at all it would work.
You could replace the audio and that would work.
I could swear they fixed that in an update.
I think you have to actually tell MF to use 0 volume on that importing
screen and set the imported audio selection to 100.
When it has the bug it does exactly as you say. Preview is good buy
doesn't encode any audio in encoding.
You must be doing it correct because it's previewiing properly.
MD
Both of the other programs default to separate streams because most
professional dvd apps use that method. Many apps like
Ulead DVD Workshop 2 you can make your own commentary track and
put that in as a choice for playing back. That's nice.
In Sony Vegas Dvd Architech when you import a mpv or mpg if there is
a matching filename in the same directory for the audio stream it's
automatcally loaded.
What is happening to you was a bug for a while. Maybe still is??
Shouldn't be happening. It happened to me when I tried to import a
separate audio track. If the original video had NO audio at all it wouldn't work.
If the original video has any audio at all it would work.
You could replace the audio and that would work.
I could swear they fixed that in an update.
I think you have to actually tell MF to use 0 volume on that importing
screen and set the imported audio selection to 100.
When it has the bug it does exactly as you say. Preview is good buy
doesn't encode any audio in encoding.
You must be doing it correct because it's previewiing properly.
MD
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plasma_video
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Looks like the patch that fixed that video without audio problem will not work on my OEM version of the software, just the retail version. I thought I had V3.5, but it is actually 3.0 OEM. I think I helped someone else install 3.5 on his computer and got confused as to which version I had (an easy thing to do these days - brain doesn't work as good as it did 20 years ago).
Thanks for your input. I'm back to square one. This is probably a moot point, as I need to get something that will encode AC3 anyway.
I was hoping to use Procoder for now so I could export directly from the Edius timeline to an mpeg program stream with PCM and not have to save out a large AVI file that I would then have to re-encode in MF3. I found out why I couldn't do that last night - I was trying to use the Storm mpg hardware encoder instead of the software encoder. The software encoder allows you to use embedded PCM, but the resultant file causes MF3 to freeze on playback. It plays fine in every other app, including Media Player and Vegas, but it locks up both the authoring app and the video editing app in MF3. Strange.
As to Vegas - it does indeed look like the Mainconcept encoder is setup to work with DVD Architect, as there are a number of presets specifically for that.
Looks like my options are slim as I have the OEM version of MF3. I'm looking at MF4 so I can gat the AC3 support.
Slightly off topic, how do you find the quality of the Ulead mpeg encoder to be in MF?
Tom
Thanks for your input. I'm back to square one. This is probably a moot point, as I need to get something that will encode AC3 anyway.
I was hoping to use Procoder for now so I could export directly from the Edius timeline to an mpeg program stream with PCM and not have to save out a large AVI file that I would then have to re-encode in MF3. I found out why I couldn't do that last night - I was trying to use the Storm mpg hardware encoder instead of the software encoder. The software encoder allows you to use embedded PCM, but the resultant file causes MF3 to freeze on playback. It plays fine in every other app, including Media Player and Vegas, but it locks up both the authoring app and the video editing app in MF3. Strange.
As to Vegas - it does indeed look like the Mainconcept encoder is setup to work with DVD Architect, as there are a number of presets specifically for that.
Looks like my options are slim as I have the OEM version of MF3. I'm looking at MF4 so I can gat the AC3 support.
Slightly off topic, how do you find the quality of the Ulead mpeg encoder to be in MF?
Tom
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Hi,
MF4 disc creator might have a bug with AC-3. Haven't had time
to work on it. MF4 seems to be a nice program.
MF4 encodes direct to AC-3 real time recording if your machine
can process fast enough. Alot more features in MF4 being able to
export to Mpeg2 direct from the timeline.
You can load in a video file with "mpeg/pcm" audio and export it out
as AC-3 audio. Nice feature.
MD
MF4 disc creator might have a bug with AC-3. Haven't had time
to work on it. MF4 seems to be a nice program.
MF4 encodes direct to AC-3 real time recording if your machine
can process fast enough. Alot more features in MF4 being able to
export to Mpeg2 direct from the timeline.
You can load in a video file with "mpeg/pcm" audio and export it out
as AC-3 audio. Nice feature.
MD