LSHorwitz,
If someone has the PS3 you can just send them any of your HD-Mpeg2 video s. Either in .m2t or mpeg. Also avchd format if they are encoded properly.
Same with the high resolution pictures. The PS3 will play the jpg's. You don't even have to makeup a slideshow, ps3 has built-in functions.
If you search in the VS forum I posted Instructions how to use the PS3 and playback.
If you put all the videos in a /VIDEO folder it's easier for him to navigate.
If you put all the pictures in a /PICTURE folder it's easier for him to navigate.
I just found that post.
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... 544#106544
BluRay authoring on 4.7 GB DVDs
etech6355,
Thanks very much for your excellent advice and link.
I have 2 remaining questions:
1. Does the PS3 require a newer UDF 2.5 format to be used or can it read the older UDF formats used on standard DVDs?
2. Is the file type required to be .mpg, or .m2t (transport stream) or can it play both types?
Thanks again,
Larry
Thanks very much for your excellent advice and link.
I have 2 remaining questions:
1. Does the PS3 require a newer UDF 2.5 format to be used or can it read the older UDF formats used on standard DVDs?
2. Is the file type required to be .mpg, or .m2t (transport stream) or can it play both types?
Thanks again,
Larry
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Hi, I think I could help to answer some of the questions.
To play standard DVD, yes PS3 can support the older UDF formats.
H.T.
For playing Blu-ray DVDs on PS3, yes you would need to burn the BD disk in UDF 2.6.LSHorwitz wrote:1. Does the PS3 require a newer UDF 2.5 format to be used or can it read the older UDF formats used on standard DVDs?
To play standard DVD, yes PS3 can support the older UDF formats.
H.T.
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Thank you H.T.
If I want to follow the approach of etech6355 and send my son HD content on a red laser 4.7GB DVD-R, I am still a bit confused:
Can I send him a standard older UDF 1.02 DVD-R with 1.0GB file size limits....or can I format the disk on my PC with a newer UDF 2+ format to allow bigger file sizes. As you may know, PC's cannot read/write UDF 2.5 or 2.6 natively, although some programs like Ulead MF6+ can write (HD-DVD) disks in UDF 2.5 (and possibly 2.6),
My HD movie files are each about 3-4GB, and are now in .m2t format, MPEG2 transport stream with 1920x1080 25Mbit/sec 29.97 FPS NTSC video with LPCM audio (the format produced by my HDV camcorder). Can the file be opened and read by the PS3 or does it need to be saved as an .mpg file as a program stream?
Thanks again,
Larry
If I want to follow the approach of etech6355 and send my son HD content on a red laser 4.7GB DVD-R, I am still a bit confused:
Can I send him a standard older UDF 1.02 DVD-R with 1.0GB file size limits....or can I format the disk on my PC with a newer UDF 2+ format to allow bigger file sizes. As you may know, PC's cannot read/write UDF 2.5 or 2.6 natively, although some programs like Ulead MF6+ can write (HD-DVD) disks in UDF 2.5 (and possibly 2.6),
My HD movie files are each about 3-4GB, and are now in .m2t format, MPEG2 transport stream with 1920x1080 25Mbit/sec 29.97 FPS NTSC video with LPCM audio (the format produced by my HDV camcorder). Can the file be opened and read by the PS3 or does it need to be saved as an .mpg file as a program stream?
Thanks again,
Larry
Larry,
The PS3 reads both the .m2t and the .mpg file extensions.
My PS3 plays both TS & PS at full Constant or Variable 25Mbs - Lpcm/mpeg/Dolby Audio. I have not found it necessary yet to recode down to a lower bit-rate yet except to get more space which I usually use variable 18Mbs. I leave the transport stream files as .m2t and ProgramStream files .mpg. I also have been using VideoStudio10+ to convert the .m2t to mpg (Program Stream) if needed.
The PS3 can read both ISO, ISO9660/UDF Bridge & straight UDF.
I used Nero and first choose ISO/UDF. Then dragged a 3gig file into the compilation window which nero complained about and I believe forced the DVD to be UDF Only. I remember the UDF file system was set to automatic in Nero.
I don't think you should force the 2.5 / 2.6 UDF format because it's a dvd and not a Blu-Ray Disk. The PS3 will read the DVD as a data / media disk.
I'm making some dvd's to be sent out and played back on a PS3.
I'll be doing this tonight and will post back more detail on how I burned them and tested them. I'm also going to try some +R media to make sure the PS3 and read the +R disks, it's supposed to.
It's nice they finally put out something like the PS3. Makes it easier now to share the HD videos & pictures.
Someday HDTV's will have everything built in.
The PS3 reads both the .m2t and the .mpg file extensions.
My PS3 plays both TS & PS at full Constant or Variable 25Mbs - Lpcm/mpeg/Dolby Audio. I have not found it necessary yet to recode down to a lower bit-rate yet except to get more space which I usually use variable 18Mbs. I leave the transport stream files as .m2t and ProgramStream files .mpg. I also have been using VideoStudio10+ to convert the .m2t to mpg (Program Stream) if needed.
The PS3 can read both ISO, ISO9660/UDF Bridge & straight UDF.
I used Nero and first choose ISO/UDF. Then dragged a 3gig file into the compilation window which nero complained about and I believe forced the DVD to be UDF Only. I remember the UDF file system was set to automatic in Nero.
I don't think you should force the 2.5 / 2.6 UDF format because it's a dvd and not a Blu-Ray Disk. The PS3 will read the DVD as a data / media disk.
I'm making some dvd's to be sent out and played back on a PS3.
I'll be doing this tonight and will post back more detail on how I burned them and tested them. I'm also going to try some +R media to make sure the PS3 and read the +R disks, it's supposed to.
It's nice they finally put out something like the PS3. Makes it easier now to share the HD videos & pictures.
Someday HDTV's will have everything built in.
etech6355,
Once again, thanks for your help and excellent information. I now understand what is required, subject to any further modifications which you may provide after testing your latest disks. Since I do not have a PS3 here and wanted to avoid making disks and sending them across the counntry to my son unless I was pretty sure they would work on his PS3, I now feel like I know the details required.
I make both .m2t and .mpg files also, using VS10+, MF6+, Vegas 7. etc. I will put the movie on a convention red DVD-R also using Nero as you do, and will not chose one of the newer UDF formats which make the disk unreadable on my PC (just as Ulead does when it writes a UDF 2.5 red laser style HDDVD). (You may be interested in knowing that the Toshiba HDDVD players seem to handle the older UDF format absolutely fine when loading and playing HD-DVDs, and this is exactly the way I authored HD-DVDs before Ulead added the burner support recently in MF^+. Even now, the current Ulead VS10+ cannot make a red laser playable HD-DVD directly, so I create the HD-DVD folder oin my harddisk and then burn it with Nero.)
It really is good news that Sony can handle this .m2t and .mpg method. The owners of HDV camcorders have had a hell of a time finding a way to distribute content, and this is a good start. Sony has put a lot of DRM and HDCP 1.3 and other crap around their "priceless" HD movie content, and it has definitely slowed if not totally thwarted the availability of low cost BD authoring suites. In fact, I've been making HD DVDs for about a year and half now with relatively simple tools, but the BD authoring has been extremely slow in coming.
BTW, if you haven't seen photo slideshows at 1920 by 1080 from MF6+ at 25Mbits/sec, I am here to tell you that they look gorgeous. I think that Ulead is using either a Mainconcept or Ligos codec to render the mpeg2s, and they look super nice.....
Thanks again for all of your great advice.
Larry
Once again, thanks for your help and excellent information. I now understand what is required, subject to any further modifications which you may provide after testing your latest disks. Since I do not have a PS3 here and wanted to avoid making disks and sending them across the counntry to my son unless I was pretty sure they would work on his PS3, I now feel like I know the details required.
I make both .m2t and .mpg files also, using VS10+, MF6+, Vegas 7. etc. I will put the movie on a convention red DVD-R also using Nero as you do, and will not chose one of the newer UDF formats which make the disk unreadable on my PC (just as Ulead does when it writes a UDF 2.5 red laser style HDDVD). (You may be interested in knowing that the Toshiba HDDVD players seem to handle the older UDF format absolutely fine when loading and playing HD-DVDs, and this is exactly the way I authored HD-DVDs before Ulead added the burner support recently in MF^+. Even now, the current Ulead VS10+ cannot make a red laser playable HD-DVD directly, so I create the HD-DVD folder oin my harddisk and then burn it with Nero.)
It really is good news that Sony can handle this .m2t and .mpg method. The owners of HDV camcorders have had a hell of a time finding a way to distribute content, and this is a good start. Sony has put a lot of DRM and HDCP 1.3 and other crap around their "priceless" HD movie content, and it has definitely slowed if not totally thwarted the availability of low cost BD authoring suites. In fact, I've been making HD DVDs for about a year and half now with relatively simple tools, but the BD authoring has been extremely slow in coming.
BTW, if you haven't seen photo slideshows at 1920 by 1080 from MF6+ at 25Mbits/sec, I am here to tell you that they look gorgeous. I think that Ulead is using either a Mainconcept or Ligos codec to render the mpeg2s, and they look super nice.....
Thanks again for all of your great advice.
Larry
Larry,
This is a little confusing to explain, but here goes...... All the dvd's I made worked on the PS3. DVD-R & DVD+R & DVD+RW.
What's confusing is IF you burn a dvd in UDF format above 1.02 file system then windows cannot read the disk unless you have a packet reading/writing program installed on that computer and the drivers are loaded to properly mount the dvd. So if you want to send out dvd's that the recipiant can also use on their computer for other reasons then I suggest to use the default that nero uses which is it's automatic setting which appears to be (physical partition, UDF 1.02).
In Nero you can use the iso/udf project if the files are less than 2gig.
If above 2 gig Nero tells you to start a UDF project. It suggests to leave the UDF file system choice to automatic. I changed this to manual and burned "Physical Partition, UDF 1.02" and it works. Works meaning that the PS3 could play the 4gig file and XP could also read the dvd without having to have any packet writing software installed.
Any DVD I made using the UDF 1.5 and above could not be read by windows unless I had a packet reader installed. I think this would make it hard to review & check the dvd's before sending them out. Plus the receiver may not be able to read them in his computer.
I uses both Nero & Ulead Burn-Now 4.0 to burn the dvd's. Same results using Nero or Ulead Burn_Now Program.
As for HTCheins comments I could not find or use 2.6 as an option. The highest UDF file system on both programs was 2.5. I wonder if his 2.6 was a typo error.
Ulead uses the MainConcept encoder. Yes I've made slideshows and added background music. They are impressive.
This is a little confusing to explain, but here goes...... All the dvd's I made worked on the PS3. DVD-R & DVD+R & DVD+RW.
What's confusing is IF you burn a dvd in UDF format above 1.02 file system then windows cannot read the disk unless you have a packet reading/writing program installed on that computer and the drivers are loaded to properly mount the dvd. So if you want to send out dvd's that the recipiant can also use on their computer for other reasons then I suggest to use the default that nero uses which is it's automatic setting which appears to be (physical partition, UDF 1.02).
In Nero you can use the iso/udf project if the files are less than 2gig.
If above 2 gig Nero tells you to start a UDF project. It suggests to leave the UDF file system choice to automatic. I changed this to manual and burned "Physical Partition, UDF 1.02" and it works. Works meaning that the PS3 could play the 4gig file and XP could also read the dvd without having to have any packet writing software installed.
Any DVD I made using the UDF 1.5 and above could not be read by windows unless I had a packet reader installed. I think this would make it hard to review & check the dvd's before sending them out. Plus the receiver may not be able to read them in his computer.
I uses both Nero & Ulead Burn-Now 4.0 to burn the dvd's. Same results using Nero or Ulead Burn_Now Program.
As for HTCheins comments I could not find or use 2.6 as an option. The highest UDF file system on both programs was 2.5. I wonder if his 2.6 was a typo error.
Ulead uses the MainConcept encoder. Yes I've made slideshows and added background music. They are impressive.
Thanks again etech6355,
I completely understood your comments and conclusions, and am now ready to make up my disks with very high confidence they will play on my son's PS3 in California. I have leaned early on that the newer UDF formats are unsupported by XP, but have the luxury of a small MacMini here which does handle all of the UDF formats I have ever thrown at it up to 2.5. I also do not know much if anything about 2.6
I am waiting for BluRay burners and players to drop in price so I can deal with this issue a lot more directly. Since Toshiba announced last week that their newest HD DVD players are now dropped in price to $349, I hope Sony, Samsing, and others may get real with their outrageous pricing model. They have been skimming the market literally for years now with $1000 players.
Many thanks again for your extremely knowledgable and helpful guidance.
Best,
Larry
I completely understood your comments and conclusions, and am now ready to make up my disks with very high confidence they will play on my son's PS3 in California. I have leaned early on that the newer UDF formats are unsupported by XP, but have the luxury of a small MacMini here which does handle all of the UDF formats I have ever thrown at it up to 2.5. I also do not know much if anything about 2.6
I am waiting for BluRay burners and players to drop in price so I can deal with this issue a lot more directly. Since Toshiba announced last week that their newest HD DVD players are now dropped in price to $349, I hope Sony, Samsing, and others may get real with their outrageous pricing model. They have been skimming the market literally for years now with $1000 players.
Many thanks again for your extremely knowledgable and helpful guidance.
Best,
Larry
Interesting article where this person used MF6+ and other software to create a BDAV disks.
Other programs starting to write the BDMV format are expensive.
Nice article.
http://www.dv.com/features/features_ite ... =196602808
Other programs starting to write the BDMV format are expensive.
Nice article.
http://www.dv.com/features/features_ite ... =196602808
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Hi,
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Section-1347 ... Index.html
For data burning on Blu-ray disc, UDF 2.6 is not required, UDF 2.5 is enough for that.
See page 17 in the user manual of Ulead BD DiscRecorder 2.7, it states:
"BD-R discs can be appended if burner supports UDF 2.6 file system."
I think maybe I should correct my last post on the PS3 thing. PS3 should be able to read both UDF 2.5/2.6.
H.T.
UDF 2.6 is the latest UDF version and its spec is been listed in the following link:etech6355 wrote:As for HTCheins comments I could not find or use 2.6 as an option. The highest UDF file system on both programs was 2.5. I wonder if his 2.6 was a typo error.
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Section-1347 ... Index.html
For data burning on Blu-ray disc, UDF 2.6 is not required, UDF 2.5 is enough for that.
See page 17 in the user manual of Ulead BD DiscRecorder 2.7, it states:
"BD-R discs can be appended if burner supports UDF 2.6 file system."
I think maybe I should correct my last post on the PS3 thing. PS3 should be able to read both UDF 2.5/2.6.
H.T.
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HTChein,
Thanks for the information.
I would think the PS3 can read the 2.6 format.
I have the ulead packet reading/writer loaded. Can't read the Mini-dvd avchd dvd's from those recorders but the PS3 reads & plays them. I think they are probably in the 2.6 UDF format maybe?
Couldn't read them on the computer but the computer can read 2.5UDF and lower no problems with the ulead packet software loaded (ulead data-add).
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Thanks for the information.
I would think the PS3 can read the 2.6 format.
I have the ulead packet reading/writer loaded. Can't read the Mini-dvd avchd dvd's from those recorders but the PS3 reads & plays them. I think they are probably in the 2.6 UDF format maybe?
Couldn't read them on the computer but the computer can read 2.5UDF and lower no problems with the ulead packet software loaded (ulead data-add).
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etech6355 and H.T.,
Thanks to both of you for educating me.
I am now curious about how to read UDF 2.5 disks on my PC running XP.
I have an older version of Data-Add from 2004 which came with one of my older Ulead products. Since I have the latest VideoStudio 10+, MovieFactory 6+, PhotoImpact 12, etc. I have never received (as far as I know) any upgrades to the latest 2.5 version of Data Add.
How do I get some driver(s) to read UDF 2.5 on this XP machine?
Thanks again,
Larry
Thanks to both of you for educating me.
I am now curious about how to read UDF 2.5 disks on my PC running XP.
I have an older version of Data-Add from 2004 which came with one of my older Ulead products. Since I have the latest VideoStudio 10+, MovieFactory 6+, PhotoImpact 12, etc. I have never received (as far as I know) any upgrades to the latest 2.5 version of Data Add.
How do I get some driver(s) to read UDF 2.5 on this XP machine?
Thanks again,
Larry
Install Nero InCD or an older version of MF4 or MF5_Plus.
I've had it since MF4_Full & MF5_Plus, it came with the distribution files. I don't see it in MF6+.
On my system it's called "Data-Add".
As far as I can tell it's part of the "Burn-Now" program. The part that references "Drag & Drop" is the packet writing software called "Data-Add".
I like it because I can enable/disable it on the drive "On the fly".
Similar to Nero's InCD, I like the ulead packet writer better than InCD because it has more options and easier to control.
Some machines have trouble with packet writing software.
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http://www.ulead.com/store/store.htm
I've had it since MF4_Full & MF5_Plus, it came with the distribution files. I don't see it in MF6+.
On my system it's called "Data-Add".
As far as I can tell it's part of the "Burn-Now" program. The part that references "Drag & Drop" is the packet writing software called "Data-Add".
I like it because I can enable/disable it on the drive "On the fly".
Similar to Nero's InCD, I like the ulead packet writer better than InCD because it has more options and easier to control.
Some machines have trouble with packet writing software.
.
http://www.ulead.com/store/store.htm
I just installed InCD and rebooted, and now UDF 2.5 is supported. I had previously removed it, but can't remember why..... It must have given me some type of grief a while back and I now recall that I removed it. I'll give it another "chance" and see if it still gives me any grief.
I would prefer the Ulead drivers but all I seem to have here are the older Data-Add 2.0 version. iI kinda' wonder why Ulead no longer ships the program with their latest products, several of which I have piurchased as upgrades.
It does seem a bit silly that MF6+ can create disks which can then not be opened or read on the very same machine.........unless you have other software like Nero InCD.
As I am now thinking about it, an earlier Nero 7 Ultra update left this machine in quite a messed up situation, especially with regarding to burner drivers, and I must have decided to delete InCD to fix the problem. I have since installed one or two newer versions of Nero which have mostly solved the earlier problems. Ahead / Nero is in the same league as Ulead in releaseing some stuff before it is really truly stable and well debugged.....
Thanks again,
Larry
I would prefer the Ulead drivers but all I seem to have here are the older Data-Add 2.0 version. iI kinda' wonder why Ulead no longer ships the program with their latest products, several of which I have piurchased as upgrades.
It does seem a bit silly that MF6+ can create disks which can then not be opened or read on the very same machine.........unless you have other software like Nero InCD.
As I am now thinking about it, an earlier Nero 7 Ultra update left this machine in quite a messed up situation, especially with regarding to burner drivers, and I must have decided to delete InCD to fix the problem. I have since installed one or two newer versions of Nero which have mostly solved the earlier problems. Ahead / Nero is in the same league as Ulead in releaseing some stuff before it is really truly stable and well debugged.....
Thanks again,
Larry
I don't know if you can do the same with InCD as the ulead packet writer.
With "Data-Add2" I go under the drives properties and there is a tab that says "Data-Add". In that tab there are options to enable/disable packet writing on the drive. Maybe InCD has this feature now, didn't when I was using it. It's necessary to disable the driver if you are trying to use another program for burning or other reasons. Like burning a redboot audio CD.
Nero 6 always worked well. Nero 7 seems to be over bloated. I've also had problems with version 7.
With "Data-Add2" I go under the drives properties and there is a tab that says "Data-Add". In that tab there are options to enable/disable packet writing on the drive. Maybe InCD has this feature now, didn't when I was using it. It's necessary to disable the driver if you are trying to use another program for burning or other reasons. Like burning a redboot audio CD.
Nero 6 always worked well. Nero 7 seems to be over bloated. I've also had problems with version 7.
I know there were problems because many computers already had packet writers installed. This can cause problems. If you use the default burning options with ulead burning program this doesn't happen. Only if you manually select a custom file system then the default windows drivers don't work. That's windows, Linux & Mac latest versions natively read them. You can burn 4gig files with the ulead software and it will write the 1.02 UDF file system, windows read them.It does seem a bit silly that MF6+ can create disks which can then not be opened or read on the very same machine..