MF5 HD-DVD support

Post Reply
MarkRy

MF5 HD-DVD support

Post by MarkRy »

I bought MovieFactory 5 for its HD-DVD support. The ability to burn ISO's was removed early on but an HD update was promised which I thought was going to make MF5 fully fledged HD-DVD authoring software. The ULead website had a page where you asked to be informed when the update was available.

Ulead have now moved onto MF6 and removed the update. MF5 is not the HD-DVD ready product that was promised. Is the MF5 update on its way? You now need MF6 Pro to get HD-DVD authoring. What is going on please ?
tyamada
Advisor
Posts: 735
Joined: Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:10 pm
Location: Atlanta, Ga

Post by tyamada »

Where have you been? Movie Factory Service Pack 1 has the updates for HD
DVD and BDR. You have to update your copy of MF5 with all three files for SP and HD DVD and BDR support.
MarkRy

Post by MarkRy »

Been? I have been waiting for the update. Maybe I am missing something but its using the old Mpeg2 format to create these disks. Add to that no HD-DVD type menus and it seems to be just a rehashed DVD.

I thought the update which you could sign up to in February (after the service pack) was to make it use current HD-DVD standards and not reencode everything into voluminous mpeg2, have no new style menus and it still can't create an ISO.
etech6355
Posts: 2121
Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:24 am
Location: US

Post by etech6355 »

HD-DVD standards and not re-encode everything into voluminous mpeg2, have no new style menus and it still can't create an ISO.
What are your source video's that have been forced to re-encode?
Hd-Mpeg2 is the most standard format used for HD-DVD & HD Blu-Ray Disks.
The majority of movies I have or seen are encoded mpeg2. Yes, some are avchd or vc-1 but the ones I've viewed so far display mpeg2 as the main movies format.

I don't think there will be an update for MF5 anymore, could be mistaken but
MF6 includes these features to burn HD-DVD to a HD writer or standard dvd, create hd-dvd folders or burn an iso.
Maybe give the trial version of MF6/MF6+ a try.
MarkRy

Post by MarkRy »

Thanks etech6355. Without currently a HDDVD burner I would like for the time being to use a high compression codec and burn onto DVD DL. I have an HD camera and record off BBCHD. Mpeg4 / h.264 would therefore seem good.

I guess its a company policy thing. Some companies allow you to keep your product up to date with latest version free of charge. Others put a number after the product and charge you for the pleasure each time.

The MF5 press release caught my attention because it was the first to be HD-DVD ready. Then, as I say, this was disabled, that removed and something else upgraded. Ultimately HD was used to sell it but when it was possibly sorted out, there was no update as promised, just the further expense of an upgrade to MF6!
etech6355
Posts: 2121
Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:24 am
Location: US

Post by etech6355 »

Mark,
Wiith the AVCHD codec producing small file sizes I think soon you will be seeing hardware based AVCHD encoders on the market. The demand is there.
What I have noticed so far with AVCHD H264 encoding is the source material needs to be very good or high quality. Otherwise you need to use a higher bit rate when H264 encoding which defeats the purpose of the codec.

It's only a matter of time for software/hardware to catch up. One of the biggest holdups besides writing the code and testing is licensing and copy protection. They have to make sure no one can use the software to copy commercial copyrighted material. That would put them out of business.
It's not as easy nor simple as one would think.
MarkRy

Post by MarkRy »

Right, Etech, its going to be an interesting time if you like HD.

I think cos I bought in February I will get a free upgrade. I only bought MF5 Standard as that was required for HD-DVD recording. In MF6 its in the Plus version! Oh well.

Will I spend another $50 to find out if it works as advertised. I doubt it. We will see. As you say, I might just wait for software and hardware to catch up. Lets hope the future is not just Blu.

Thanks.
neonbob
Posts: 308
Joined: Mon Jun 26, 2006 10:35 am

Post by neonbob »

Why not just drop the bitrate a little on the mpeg2??
I can get 50 minutes of HD on a DL dvd at 19000, with dolby digital 5.1 sound. You can't really notice any degradation with the bitrate drop. Do you need more than 50 minutes on a disk?
etech6355
Posts: 2121
Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2005 3:24 am
Location: US

Post by etech6355 »

Neonbob,
Just curious if you ever have recoded the framesize from HDV1440 to HD1920 with good quality results. I did use an codec in between the conversions (cineform).
I have also re-encoded down to 18000kbs. I don't notice much difference in quality either. One of my players can only play the program stream format at max_bit_rate of 18000kbs, otherwise the videos studder. They still look good.

If I have to reduce file size I mainly use the HD-Divx Codec between 6000kbs & 8000kbs with mp3 audio. 1 Hour or more on a single-layer dvd, encoded interlaced & playback on a hd certified divx player. Excellent motion, same as the source, and can stream these files over your lan.
tyamada
Advisor
Posts: 735
Joined: Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:10 pm
Location: Atlanta, Ga

Post by tyamada »

MarkRy

Check this thread out, the patch will let you create a HDDVD ISO file.
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=21758
Post Reply