mf5 and mf6 very slow compared to mf4
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bigmalh
mf5 and mf6 very slow compared to mf4
i own mf4 mf5 and mf6 whilst using mf6 it seems to want to recode all files before burning even if the do not recode box is ticked so as a test i imported the same file from a dvd created by my new dvd recorder (lg dr175) the file was 1.85 gig and in each case no menu was used just a straight burn to dvd folder on hard drive now in mf4 it did not recode and took 1min 53 secs to complete in both mf5 and mf6 no matter what template setting i tried even custom matching to the info of the imported file in the same 1min 53 secs it had only completed 3% as i say its as though it has to recode the file as it happens on both mf5 and mf6 i think maybe it could be some setting that i am not aware of or is mf4 just a better program all round any thoughts or ideas would be welcome
What are the properties of the imported video(s) that MF6 is converting.
Clicking on the "I" icon (left of timeline) or right_click and select "Media Properties".
I wonder if MF6 is reading the files video or audio settings as being above the dvd specs. That's happened before with an LG or Samsung recorder.
You have all 3 versions and know how it supposed to work. I usually just check the do not convert setting. I would check the imported files video_bit_rates and see if MF6 reports something higher than 9800VBR, or something that isn't dvd compliant.
Clicking on the "I" icon (left of timeline) or right_click and select "Media Properties".
I wonder if MF6 is reading the files video or audio settings as being above the dvd specs. That's happened before with an LG or Samsung recorder.
You have all 3 versions and know how it supposed to work. I usually just check the do not convert setting. I would check the imported files video_bit_rates and see if MF6 reports something higher than 9800VBR, or something that isn't dvd compliant.
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bigmalh
my imported file in all cases is 352 x 576 4:3 variable bit max 2316 now whwn i import into mf5 or mf6 it is detected as 16:9 but all other setting are the same i created a template with those settings but it still tries to recode if i change the template to 720 x 576 then the file more than doubles in size and still tries to recode . the strange thing is in mf4 i dont have to change anything just import and burn no recode no problem also mf 6 does not ask if iwant to change the template to match the imported file so i assume its accepted as dvd compliant. as more tests i will rip a ready made dvd ( ie not one made by my stand alone recorder ) there can be no question of that not being compliant as it is a dvd and see if it tries to recode that before burning i hope it is a setting fault and not a bug but mf5 is the same i stopped using that because imported files were reported as more than twice their real size and it refused to burn to dvd . luckily mf4 is fast and stable and(with new lxdvd parser.dll) will import without id errors
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bigmalh
hi john i will try what asked in the meantime i have discovered that if the imported file is 720 x 576 then it does not recode (re render)
if i switch my stand alone lg recorder to xp or sp then it uses this settingand files work without recoding however if i set it to lp or ep then it switches to 352 x 576 and this seems to be what mf5 and mf6 doesn't class as dvd compliant ( and therefore recodes it ) although it would seem mf4 has no problem with this . could it be that mf4 is just more tolerant of imported files
if i switch my stand alone lg recorder to xp or sp then it uses this settingand files work without recoding however if i set it to lp or ep then it switches to 352 x 576 and this seems to be what mf5 and mf6 doesn't class as dvd compliant ( and therefore recodes it ) although it would seem mf4 has no problem with this . could it be that mf4 is just more tolerant of imported files
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bigmalh
What x disc?
Seems like the resolution to your issue was the x disc, but nothing in the posted strings (except your mentiong "x disc") tells forum readers what actually resolved the issue.
Likely x disc details were given only you in the PM?
Could you post the details of 'x disc' so everybody sees what resolved the issue?
Likely x disc details were given only you in the PM?
Could you post the details of 'x disc' so everybody sees what resolved the issue?
Personnally I don't like to post this feature because it is advanced and is in the users manual and requires a better understanding of video/audio to understand it's function. Many dvd players do not support this feature, audio must always be 48khz dvd compliant. The feature could also allow pass through of mpeg files that can lock up a dvd player, it's advanced and normally off.
It's simply an advanced feature and referenced in the users manual.
It doesn't fix anything, it allows what MF considers a file that will not play properly to be passed to the dvd.
So if you load divx, xvid, wmv, avi videos you could click on this feature all day and it will do nothing to help those types of videos. It's only for specific mpeg files written with the proper video & audio parameters to work correctly.
Being as the poster was using a dvd recorder this function would help his problem.
This function should normally be left off.
It's simply an advanced feature and referenced in the users manual.
It doesn't fix anything, it allows what MF considers a file that will not play properly to be passed to the dvd.
So if you load divx, xvid, wmv, avi videos you could click on this feature all day and it will do nothing to help those types of videos. It's only for specific mpeg files written with the proper video & audio parameters to work correctly.
Being as the poster was using a dvd recorder this function would help his problem.
This function should normally be left off.
locking up one's bnurner
Thank you for your reply, but I don't see your reply explaining what the "x disc" is and how it is a "hidden switch".
Although I certainly would avoid anything technical or tweaky regarding my use of MF4SE, I don't recall seeing anything relative to an "x disc" in MF4SE. Perhaps it is only afforded for some versions of MF?
One odd thing I just noticed though, was after my 1st time use of "Straight to disc", now either my view of that drive (in My Computer) or maybe it's my actually my external burner, but when I place any new blank DVD-R disc (same one's I've been using), now the name for that drive (which used to constantly list as "DVD-ROM") changes from that name (some 15 seconds after I insert a fresh DVD-R) and renames the drive as (I think it read...) "CD Drive".
Most disconcerting as I don't ever recall that happening on my only working burnable DVD drive (my external read-writer/DVD-ROM). I also noticed the drive's properties seem to have mysteriously re-ticked the (I think it said...) 'enable CD music to play on this drive' (as I try to always keep that unticked due to having been plagued in the past with my onboard DVD-RW drive not showing up as anything but CD Drive (as opposed to it's proper name of DVD-RW).
Anyway, as for the DVD-ROM drive, it still kept being re-named to 'CD Drive', so I rebooted some 4 or 5 times, clearing all caches and even cookies, hoping that my external burner would constantly remain named DVD-ROM when inserting a fresh DVD-R, but it continued to change it's name about 15 secs after inserting the DVD-R. It finally stayed named DVD-ROM, but only when I had MF4SE open and inserted the DVD-R disc.
Sorry for any string manglement, but aside from wanting to know what it is that can mess up a burner when using MF4, if any insight is afforded on the latter matter, I'd sure appreciate that too.
Once again, many thanks for your kind contributions to the forum.
Although I certainly would avoid anything technical or tweaky regarding my use of MF4SE, I don't recall seeing anything relative to an "x disc" in MF4SE. Perhaps it is only afforded for some versions of MF?
One odd thing I just noticed though, was after my 1st time use of "Straight to disc", now either my view of that drive (in My Computer) or maybe it's my actually my external burner, but when I place any new blank DVD-R disc (same one's I've been using), now the name for that drive (which used to constantly list as "DVD-ROM") changes from that name (some 15 seconds after I insert a fresh DVD-R) and renames the drive as (I think it read...) "CD Drive".
Most disconcerting as I don't ever recall that happening on my only working burnable DVD drive (my external read-writer/DVD-ROM). I also noticed the drive's properties seem to have mysteriously re-ticked the (I think it said...) 'enable CD music to play on this drive' (as I try to always keep that unticked due to having been plagued in the past with my onboard DVD-RW drive not showing up as anything but CD Drive (as opposed to it's proper name of DVD-RW).
Anyway, as for the DVD-ROM drive, it still kept being re-named to 'CD Drive', so I rebooted some 4 or 5 times, clearing all caches and even cookies, hoping that my external burner would constantly remain named DVD-ROM when inserting a fresh DVD-R, but it continued to change it's name about 15 secs after inserting the DVD-R. It finally stayed named DVD-ROM, but only when I had MF4SE open and inserted the DVD-R disc.
Sorry for any string manglement, but aside from wanting to know what it is that can mess up a burner when using MF4, if any insight is afforded on the latter matter, I'd sure appreciate that too.
Once again, many thanks for your kind contributions to the forum.
Hi,
X-Disc is not hidden, it's right in the section of MF where you setup your "Project Settings". An quick explanation is also in the manual and you have to learn about mpeg-1 & mpeg-2 video to understand it. That would take up pages to explain but basically speaking vcd/svcd/dvd uses only certain video/audio parameters for mpeg-1/mpeg-2 on a vcd/svcd/dvd. This dvd standard creates a good standard so dvd's will play properly on all dvd players.
It's commonly called "DVD Mpeg-2 Complaint" because you can have many mpeg-2 videos that aren't "DVD Mpeg-2 Complaint"
A Mpeg2 video that is 720x480 framesize is a NTSC "DVD Compliant Mpeg2 Framesize"
A Mpeg2 video that is 352x480 framesize is a NTSC "DVD Compliant Mpeg2 Framesize"
A Mpeg2 video that is 480x480 Framesize is NOT a "DVD Compliant Mpeg2 Framesize" but is a valid standard Mpeg2 video file (actually in the SVCD spec)
The same with audio - DVD's must have 48khz audio to be compliant.
Mpeg2 video can use many different sampling frequecies, they are all valid, but only 48khz is valid for dvd's.
I hope this explains the X-Disc function better.
I think your dvd media may not be very compatible with your burner.
Can you burn DVD's in MF4SE (Special Edition)? I thought the SE meant you could only burn CD's like VCD or SVCD's.
X-Disc is not hidden, it's right in the section of MF where you setup your "Project Settings". An quick explanation is also in the manual and you have to learn about mpeg-1 & mpeg-2 video to understand it. That would take up pages to explain but basically speaking vcd/svcd/dvd uses only certain video/audio parameters for mpeg-1/mpeg-2 on a vcd/svcd/dvd. This dvd standard creates a good standard so dvd's will play properly on all dvd players.
It's commonly called "DVD Mpeg-2 Complaint" because you can have many mpeg-2 videos that aren't "DVD Mpeg-2 Complaint"
A Mpeg2 video that is 720x480 framesize is a NTSC "DVD Compliant Mpeg2 Framesize"
A Mpeg2 video that is 352x480 framesize is a NTSC "DVD Compliant Mpeg2 Framesize"
A Mpeg2 video that is 480x480 Framesize is NOT a "DVD Compliant Mpeg2 Framesize" but is a valid standard Mpeg2 video file (actually in the SVCD spec)
The same with audio - DVD's must have 48khz audio to be compliant.
Mpeg2 video can use many different sampling frequecies, they are all valid, but only 48khz is valid for dvd's.
I hope this explains the X-Disc function better.
I think your dvd media may not be very compatible with your burner.
Can you burn DVD's in MF4SE (Special Edition)? I thought the SE meant you could only burn CD's like VCD or SVCD's.
MF4SE
Thank you for your reply. I just wanted to find the x disc thing in project settings, just to be aware of what to avoid using it, so as to protect my external burner.
MF4SE sure does burn DVD's, DVD-R's and I believe DVD-RW's, but the latter won't play on my standalone nor any on my onboard, but I think I can at least use those -RW's to dub their vids onto -R's so as to play them on my standalone.
Yes, I have no doubts that my onboard read-writer is all but totally useless as it plays just about one type of over the counter DVD's, the one that shows the logo of 'DVD Video' with the word Video inside a saucer like emblem below the word DVD. Any DVD's I buy that additionally have one or more other DVD logo's (other than the one I described) refuse to play. Those discs won't even list on my drive in "My Computer" rgeardless that the drive properties indicate the drive is full.
I sure wish I could crack the Pioneer burner's 'malware' that Sony VAIO's have 'infected my' OS with. Have you or anyone ever heard of someone purchasing another burner for an OS like 'mine' and did they get the read-writer to work?
Note: While I originally tried using the OEM media software with this read-writer (probably the fatal error), I now use absolutely none of the OEM CD/DVD/VCD software that came with my OS, and again the crippled burner always was that way, even after I formatted and avoided installing any of the OEM media software.
Note: DVDDecrypter tells me this about 'my' VAIO's burner:
Device: [1:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-K12D 1.10(F:)(ATA)
..and supposedly...
Can Read CD-R: Yes
Can Read CD-RW: Yes
Can Read DVD-ROM: Yes
Can Read DVD-R: Yes
Can Read DVD-RW: Yes
Can Read DVD+R: Yes
Can Read DVD+RW: Yes
Can Read DVD-RAM: No
Can Read DVD-R DL: No
Can Read DVD+R DL: No
Can Write CD-R: Yes
Can Write CD-RW: Yes
Can Write DVD-R: Yes
Can Write DVD-RW: Yes
Can Write DVD+R: Yes
Can Write DVD+RW: Yes
Can Write DVD-RAM: No
Can Write DVD-R DL: No
Can Write DVD+R DL: No
Can Read CDText: Yes
Can Read Multisession Discs: Yes
CD-DA Stream is Accurate: Yes
Supports Buffer Under-Run Free Recording: Yes
Buffer Size: 2000KB
Again, many thanks for the kind replies.
MF4SE sure does burn DVD's, DVD-R's and I believe DVD-RW's, but the latter won't play on my standalone nor any on my onboard, but I think I can at least use those -RW's to dub their vids onto -R's so as to play them on my standalone.
Yes, I have no doubts that my onboard read-writer is all but totally useless as it plays just about one type of over the counter DVD's, the one that shows the logo of 'DVD Video' with the word Video inside a saucer like emblem below the word DVD. Any DVD's I buy that additionally have one or more other DVD logo's (other than the one I described) refuse to play. Those discs won't even list on my drive in "My Computer" rgeardless that the drive properties indicate the drive is full.
I sure wish I could crack the Pioneer burner's 'malware' that Sony VAIO's have 'infected my' OS with. Have you or anyone ever heard of someone purchasing another burner for an OS like 'mine' and did they get the read-writer to work?
Note: While I originally tried using the OEM media software with this read-writer (probably the fatal error), I now use absolutely none of the OEM CD/DVD/VCD software that came with my OS, and again the crippled burner always was that way, even after I formatted and avoided installing any of the OEM media software.
Note: DVDDecrypter tells me this about 'my' VAIO's burner:
Device: [1:0:0] PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-K12D 1.10(F:)(ATA)
..and supposedly...
Can Read CD-R: Yes
Can Read CD-RW: Yes
Can Read DVD-ROM: Yes
Can Read DVD-R: Yes
Can Read DVD-RW: Yes
Can Read DVD+R: Yes
Can Read DVD+RW: Yes
Can Read DVD-RAM: No
Can Read DVD-R DL: No
Can Read DVD+R DL: No
Can Write CD-R: Yes
Can Write CD-RW: Yes
Can Write DVD-R: Yes
Can Write DVD-RW: Yes
Can Write DVD+R: Yes
Can Write DVD+RW: Yes
Can Write DVD-RAM: No
Can Write DVD-R DL: No
Can Write DVD+R DL: No
Can Read CDText: Yes
Can Read Multisession Discs: Yes
CD-DA Stream is Accurate: Yes
Supports Buffer Under-Run Free Recording: Yes
Buffer Size: 2000KB
Again, many thanks for the kind replies.