Exceeded Video File Size. Need More VCD Space.

programmer395 · Post by **programmer395** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 9:20 am

I've created a video with duration which is approx. 84 minutes.
All of them was needed by me.
The question is, as we know, VCD can only contain only 77 minutes or more of video tracks. I really needed that video to be composed in one VCD.

What task must i do instead of cutting the video? such as using another video's format or etc.

Please help me...

Post by **jparnold** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:34 am

I have never used VCD but have created a few miovies in SVCD some years ago and played around with video data rates.

I am not sure if VCD allows different video bit rates (SVCD does). You could try rendering at a lower bit rate. That would result in a shorter file to fit a CD (VCD).
You would need to create a new "movie template" using TOOLS > MAKE MOVIE MANAGER.
Standard VCD is 1150 kbit/sec so try 1050 kbit/sec but REMEMBER the resulting video quality will not be as good.
Have a look at this web site for more information on VCD.

Post by **jparnold** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:40 am

Sorry about the double post but I accidentally selected QUOTE instead of EDIT.

I have never used VCD but have created a few miovies in SVCD some years ago and played around with video data rates.

I am not sure if VCD allows different video bit rates (SVCD does). You could try rendering at a lower bit rate. That would result in a shorter file to fit a CD (VCD).
You would need to create a new "movie template" using TOOLS > MAKE MOVIE MANAGER.
Standard VCD is 1150 kbit/sec so try 1050 kbit/sec (if VCD will allow it) but REMEMBER the resulting video quality will not be as good.

If that is no good consider using DivX but as VideoStudio doesn't support this you would need to output in a supported format and then convert to DivX.

Have a look at this web site for more information on VCD.

roy wood · Post by **roy wood** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:43 am

I would agree with most of Johns reply but I seem to remember reading somewhere that in order for a VCD to play on a DVD player the bit-rate needs to be kept at 1150kb/sec. If you use a CD re-Write disc you could try it and see.

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:41 pm

You should be able to get around 80-minutes on a 700mb CD-R (created/burned properly as VCD). I know I once overburned 82-minutes of VCD to CD-R -- but don't do it unless you know for sure it will fit.

They do sell some larger capacity CD-R's (I think I once saw 900mb CD's -- but I don't recall where I saw them...)

Regards,
George

programmer395 · Post by **programmer395** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:38 pm

is any VCD creating software available for creating a vcd with other format that might suitable in my problem out there?

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:01 pm

You don't need any other software.
Actually you can do it, requires re-encoding your mpeg file and some tricks of the trade.
I make vcd's just because of the mpeg audio at mpeg2-16bit-224kbs is great quality.
Some of them are 113 minutes to 120minutes burnt onto a standard CD.
You do sacrifice quality in the video when re-rendering of course.
But the audio is the same quality and vcd has great audio quality.

For simplicity and to create a video that will play in almost all dvd players for you to distribute I would re-render your video from
352x240 VCD Mpeg-1 to 352x240 Mpeg-2 Dvd Compliant, same constant bit-rate, aspect ratio, frame-size & audio spec's
(You may want to use Lpcm Audio on the dvd for the most compatibility, in this case I would).
Use the Mpeg2 file and create a dvd. You could even put more on the dvd.
Dvd's are more compatible, vcd's will not play in all dvd players.

programmer395 · Post by **programmer395** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:29 am

I think my audience will not prefer to get my video in DVD format,
in the use of DVD will increase the price.

any other suggestions?

Post by **Ron P.** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:25 am

programmer395 wrote:

I think my audience will not prefer to get my video in DVD format,
in the use of DVD will increase the price.

any other suggestions?

How will using DVDs increase the price that much? Since DVDs have been around for a while, they really are not more expensive then CDs. IMHO CDs will probably be going be the wayside in the near future, just like VHS and audio cassettes.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:35 am

In point of fact, here in Australia at least, DVDs are often cheaper than CDs... or at least, as Ron says, around the same price. And of course they hold almost 6 times the volume of a CD. So on a relative space basis, they are heaps cheaper...

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:51 am

AFAIK, the argument is futile since the VCD standard stipulates mpeg1 and a certain bit rate. Apart from lowering the already bad video quality by using an even smaller frame size, I don't know of any way to make the file size smaller. Why does it have to be VCD

I haven't used VCD at all, did one trial project and didn't like the quality at all. Until I got my first DVD burner I only created SVCD which allows even less video duration by the pure nature of it.

I don't know who your audience are but, I fear, they are as ill informed as you are. If you are restricting yourself to the CD format, try mpeg4, Xvid, DivX etc. The file sizes are very small at an excellent video quality.

Where are your "creations" played?

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:02 am

AFAIK, the argument is futile since the VCD standard stipulates mpeg1 and a certain bit rate. Apart from lowering the already bad video quality by using an even smaller frame size, I don't know of any way to make the file size smaller. Why does it have to be VCD Question

Exactly, that's why I'd rather not post a hacked work around. May not play on all dvd players that can play VCD disks. Even if you leave the framesize correct lowering the bit-rate can cause player problems. Some players just can't do it.
It's not worth bypassing the VCD spec unless your making one that you will know your player can handle. VS can do this though.
VS can also burn SVCD(slight modification to the audio) to DVD without re-rendering, same case though, may not work in every dvd player.
Sometimes that's just the way it is.

programmer395 · Post by **programmer395** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:45 am

i know that DVD is better and i will prefer DVD if there is a choice for me. but, in this case, my audience is quite "reversed" in today's video tech. Most of them only have VCD player. and they rather not to prefer DVD than VCD if we give them choice. As an example, in my country VCD is sold at RM5 (RM is currency in my country) while DVD is sold at RM10 per disk. I couldn't handle their mind set which said that DVD is more expensive than VCD.

programmer395 · Post by **programmer395** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:29 am

Oh.. i get it why the file size exceeds the limit.
I've accidentally copied all of my video title twice.
I'm sorry guys bcoz wasting some of your time.

But, if there is a way to get this problem (90++Minutes video in one single VCD) please continue this thread.

Regard..

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:32 am

i know that DVD is better and i will prefer DVD if there is a choice for me. but, in this case, my audience is quite "reversed"

Your in the audience