homeless editor seeks home....

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:31 am

I don't know what all this mambo jumbo is supposed to achieve? Last time I checked, even my MSP 6.5 DC is still working

Just because Corel may or may not decide to continue MSP with version 9 does nothing to take away any functionality I already have with my programs.

For all I care, one thing is for certain, we are running out of oil. Does that stop me from buying a new car? Surely not.

If the decission is made by Corel one day to drop MSP from it's line up and new versions of competitors programs become available, offering functionality I need, I will just swap. Simple as that.

Until that day though, MSP has worked for me the way I intended and I intend to back it until it becomes obsolete. If there is another version of MSP after MSP 8 (certainly hope so), I will back that if it does what I want. If there isn't, I'll move on, life doesn't finish with Ulead.

MrA · Post by **MrA** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:43 pm

heinz-oz wrote:I don't know what all this mambo jumbo is supposed to achieve? Last time I checked, even my MSP 6.5 DC is still working

Much deleted.. but...

Not my point of it NOT working, it works, and works great.

I just hope that they continue the product. No one can confirm or deny that they (Corel) is dropping the product. I will continue using MSP untill I can no longer use it, but, to be blunt, it rox, and I have never been so happy with a NLE.

From this entire thread, I _percieved_ that the product was being dropped. It is just a perception or conclusion I am drawing based on other posts and that news release..

neonbob · Post by **neonbob** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:31 pm

My guess is that MSP is not a very big money maker when compared to the other Ulead products that are being offered. Ulead products are geared mostly for the hobbyist/consumer.... which places MSP in a somewhat oddball classification. It is not big enough to be considered professional product in the ranks of liquid, edius, vegas... etc. But then it is not small enough to fit in with the likes of video studio, or movie factory.

As a result they're all probably sitting around a board room table as we speak, trying to figure out if they should go for broke and pile big bucks into MSP to try and give it Pro status, or just simply let it go.

MrA · Post by **MrA** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:07 pm

Umm, well, I sort of disagree. Considering, maybe yes, by itself, it is.

But, a lot of the other UL products that can "switch" between themselves support MSP. And after buying ALL of those products myself, I now have an editing system as costly as those "real" pro systems.

I do consider I have a very powerfull editing, and "pro" system now.

If support for MSP fades, then my purchasing of all the other goodies that can be used as standalone by themselves, that also intuitively interact with MSP will fade.

Why upgrade PI and C3PS when MSP no longer supported?

neonbob · Post by **neonbob** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:12 am

MrAmigo2121 wrote:
I do consider I have a very powerfull editing, and "pro" system now.

If you consider it a pro system, then that's all that's important... but Ulead systems are not considered pro in the industry, and will never be. So they may get the odd Ulead user that wants to upgrade to MSP, but Ulead will never really be able to break into the pro world with it. Don't get me wrong... msp is a good little program, but I have both Vegas7 and Avid liquid7.... and MSP is no where near as powerful. The bottom line is that MSP ends up with what amounts to a pretty small audience.

Post by **Ron P.** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:28 am

Oh no, you mentioned Vegas being better then MSP...

I hope Terry doesn't read this..

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:41 am

Guys, leave the church in the village please. Any sytem can only be as PRO as its user

I consider my suite of DVD MF 5+, MSP8, PI 12 and C3D 3.5 as pro as I need to go.

If someone needs to own every NLE there is to consider himself a pro, let him be

I don't and my expenditure isn't as high

htchien · Post by **htchien** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:42 am

Weeks ago I have downloaded Sony Vegas 7 and give it a try (the biggest reason is due to someone's continuous advertisement in this forum). However I cannot get used to Vegas and uninstalled it then back to MSP and UVS.

Maybe it's good (for some people), but I will still use MSP and UVS as my video editor.

If you still think Vegas is good and MSP cannot satisfy your needs, you should go to the Sony forum, not here.

BTW, to be a pro is not from the tool you use; it's from what you have in your brain (the ideas).

H.T.

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:13 am

Before I retired, I was using MSP for fully professional work within my company. I know full-time TV producers who use it, not to mention thousands of event videographers, who earn their living with it.

If someone was earning money using Windows MovieMaker, then that application would be pro for him.

OED has the following as a definition of professional:

Engaged in a specified occupation or activity for money or as a means of earning a living, rather than as a pastime. Engaged in a specified occupation or activity for money or as a means of earning a living, rather than as a pastime. Having or showing the skill of a professional person, competent; worthy of a professional person.

There is no definition of the word relating to the quality of a tool.

neonbob · Post by **neonbob** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:16 pm

htchien wrote:Weeks ago I have downloaded Sony Vegas 7 and give it a try (the biggest reason is due to someone's continuous advertisement in this forum).

This is a Ulead board. Please refrain from mentioning the use of, or testing of other products. Please review the rules at the top of this page.

htchien · Post by **htchien** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:39 pm

neonbob wrote:
htchien wrote:Weeks ago I have downloaded Sony Vegas 7 and give it a try (the biggest reason is due to someone's continuous advertisement in this forum).
This is a Ulead board. Please refrain from mentioning the use of, or testing of other products. Please review the rules at the top of this page.

Great, now you've got me.

So I guess you know whom I was referring to in my last post.

Regards,
H.T.

neonbob · Post by **neonbob** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:49 pm

htchien wrote: So I guess you know whom I was referring to in my last post.

Regards,
H.T.

What.... me???? Nooooo!

Gorf · Post by **Gorf** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:53 pm

htchien wrote:...BTW, to be a pro is not from the tool you use; it's from what you have in your brain (the ideas).

Generally speaking, a "pro" is someone who gets paid for their work, and a "pro" tool is something the "pro" uses. If that's true, Windows Movie Maker is a "pro" tool, because I use it to capture video instead of MSP's video capture.

I can't understand why people get so hung up about which tool is more professional than another. Surely whatever lets you get the job done quickest and with fewest grey hairs is best? I haven't tried Vegas, but I have tried Premiere, and it's a big pile of monkey poo. Other people love it, so it's obviously me that is wrong, but I'm OK with that...

I went to a photography convention a year or so ago, and one of the speakers had come up with an ingenious way of dealing with the idiot guests who show up at weddings with a top-of-the-range digital SLR, but no idea how to use it properly. These people insist on talking to him to compare facts and figures. He had a little holographic sticker made up with the letters P R and O in red green and blue. Whenever they recognised their camera in his hands he said "Oh, I don't know how it works on yours - mine's the 'pro' version".

He's happy, because they leave him alone to do his work; and they are gutted, because they think the salesman lied to them and that there's a better camera than theirs out there, somewhere.

Gra · Post by **Gra** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:00 pm

Hi Guys

I really, really like ULead products but that's due only to MSP, which I use for semi-professional reasons. I've always had a good feeling using this software and although I have no problem with VS as a piece of software, it does not deliver all the requirements I need (even if I use them rarely - e.g. I normally use 4/ 5 tracks but sometimes I need a lot more). Using MSP has led my to buy other Ulead products to use alongside and as part of my video editing experience.

I'm trying to be optimistic about MSP's future because it would be silly to kill it off as it fills the prosumer market perfectly and, yes, I know I could run it in theory for a couple of years regardless of updates, etc. But if anyone from Corel or Ulead is casting an eye over this thread, please note, as others have said, I'd have to go elsewhere if Ulead or Corel decide not to make any new MSP versions, service packs or make it Vista compliant. That would affect my use of other ULead products as there'd be no reason to keep them running or updated if I wasn't using MSP.