Funny, Ain't It

[Black Lab]

With all the hubbub over the Recommended Procedure that John Hunter wrote, and the subsequent disclaimer posted by Ulead, I find it rather hypocritical when I stumbled upon this statement in the VideoStudio Technical FAQs page:

After successfully burning discs for a number of times, I get one of the following messages now when I try to burn: "Report ID 0x800411da (4570)" or, more frequently, "Convert step got some problems (4101)." What should I do?
Instead of burning the project directly to disc, create a DVD compliant video file first and save it on your hard drive. After creating the file, create a new project and go to Share > Create Disc then insert the newly saved video file. Open the Project Settings dialog box [ Alt + J ] and select Do not convert compliant MPEG files then click OK . Burn the project to disc.
Tip : Refrain from inserting Project files onto the Timeline in Create Disc.

Isn't that the Recommended Procedure? So why isn't it STANDARD PROCEDURE

Sorry to rehash old topics, but stuff like that really gets to me.

[Trevor Andrew]

Jeff

That¡¦s just brilliant

I have always created a file first, mainly because the earlier software did not allow projects to be burnt, it had to be an mpeg. (to old to change)

Time wise, it¡¦s the same choose which way you jump, I find it more beneficial to create the file.

Good find Jeff

Regards

Trevor

[RussB]

I used to burn from the project, but now I do a kind of hybrid. (main body of project is pre-rendered to a single file, some titling and credits are added; then the whole thing is burned.)



For the record, I miss JHunter.

I am VERY HAPPY that I got a copy of the HD RPs before they were removed.

[Ken Berry]

Not meaning to rain on anyone's parade here (though looking out my temporary apartment window here in rainy Belgium, I wonder about that!). But my understanding is that Ulead never claimed that *their* preferred option (i.e. going from timeline straight to burning) was the only option. Nor did they criticise John Hunter's recommended procedure as such; but only because it suggested that the Ulead preference caused problems.

In other words, Ulead preferred process A, but accepted process B worked too; whereas under the late lamented Recommended Procedures, Process B was preferred over Process A.

So really, I read the piece found by Black Lab to be wholly consistent with this, and with the advice we usually gave with the Recommended Procedure. Namely, lots of people out there use Process A (the Ulead preference) with no problems. Try it and see if it works on your computer. If it doesn't, or suddenly it stops working after lots of success, then be prepared to try Process B.

But I confess, I remain a tried and true Process B man, and agree with Trevor that apart from a few seconds, the timing of the whole process is really much the same. So it is really a matter of horses for courses... And in my more than fives years of using Process B with successive versions of VS from VS7, I have never -- repeat, never -- had a problem.

[heinz-oz]

I would go further than that and say that the so lamented "Recommended Procedure" claimed that VS had a "bug" which made it impossible to burn straight from the time line. That was a load of humbug. Granted, on some systems it doesn't seem to work on others it does. Ulead have always stated that they only objected to the statement about a bug, not to the recommended procedure. In fact, even all the moderators here have advocated to create a file first if you have problems doing it the other way.

JC claimed in his procedure that VS had serious bugs and for that reason his was the only way to work with it.

The recommended procedure was not deleted by ULEAD, it was deleted by the person who created it. He didn't like it to be toned down and rather removed it. Childish behaviour, if you asked me, but it is his creation and he can do with it whatever tickles his fancy.

Quite frankly, I get sick and tired of people warming up this sorry episode any chance they get. Is there actually a point to all this? If there is, I fail to detect it.

[Black Lab]

I don't remember a statement about a bug, maybe because I learned the RP a long time ago from Jerry Jones (who, at the time was working for Ulead as a consultant or something), so maybe I'm recalling his version. AFAIK John adapted his version from him.

Heinz-oz, the point is moot if John referred to a bug, but I couldn't substantiate that since the post is gone. Sorry if I annoyed you. Just add me to the long, long, long list.

[heinz-oz]

Never fear, I don't stay annoyed long enough to remember later who annoyed me, except for JC, I think

I have sent you a pm

[etech6355]

Take a good look at all the "Tutorials" that Steve has written.
Incredible amount of work.

Example: 1 of 1000
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=20224

[Black Lab]

Steve is the TUTORIAL KING! Rumor has it he locks himself to his computer, only taking water breaks every 10 hours or so, until his next tutorial is finished.

You have taught me a lot, Steve. I appreciate all you do, as well as Ken, Ron, Brian, Trevor, Heinz, and anyone else I may have forgotten. THANKS!

[htchien]

I do not think it should be Recommended Procedure or Standard Procedure. I would call it a workaround if you've got the issue when you burn directly from the timeline.

H.T.

[sjj1805]

I don't remember a statement about a bug, maybe because I learned the RP a long time ago from Jerry Jones (who, at the time was working for Ulead as a consultant or something), so maybe I'm recalling his version. AFAIK John adapted his version from him.

Heinz-oz, the point is moot if John referred to a bug, but I couldn't substantiate that since the post is gone. Sorry if I annoyed you. Just add me to the long, long, long list.

There is a copy of JC Hunters recommended procedure here:
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=18318

The points in question are:

NEW USERS: The following procedure/work flow is recommended when using VIDEO STUDIO because it has had the most success at producing good quality DVDs. In particular, it avoids triggering serious bugs, so please follow the process carefully.

Note: This phase is crucial because it avoids serious bugs in Video Studio. Always create a video file of your project before attempting to burn a DVD.

Steve is the TUTORIAL KING! Rumor has it he locks himself to his computer, only taking water breaks every 10 hours or so, until his next tutorial is finished.

You have taught me a lot, Steve. I appreciate all you do, as well as Ken, Ron, Brian, Trevor, Heinz, and anyone else I may have forgotten. THANKS!

Thank you Black Lab. Hopefully I will soon be able to resume my tutorial on the VS editing phase, been a bit busy with decorating just lately, almost finished.

[daniel]

Warning: Out of Topic

Not meaning to rain on anyone's parade here (though looking out my temporary apartment window here in rainy Belgium, I wonder about that

I heard that!

1. I did warn you
2. At 9:32 pm yesterday it was NOT raining over Brussels! (before and after, well maybe, a little, at places)


Australians are culturally incapable of appreciating a good nice refreshing rain.

[heinz-oz]

Warning: Out of Topic

Not meaning to rain on anyone's parade here (though looking out my temporary apartment window here in rainy Belgium, I wonder about that

I heard that!

1. I did warn you
2. At 9:32 pm yesterday it was NOT raining over Brussels! (before and after, well maybe, a little, at places)


Australians are culturally incapable of appreciating a good nice refreshing rain.

This just shows your ignorance. Down the east coast of Australia, especially around Melbourne, we would almost kill to get a bit of rain. We have not had decent rain in about 8 years, well, not sustained anyway. Our water levels are at record low levels and we are about to be hit with even more water usage restrictions in a month or so. Our water reservoirs are around 30% capacity. Last year this time, we had water restrictions but our dams still were at around 50% capacity

I think Belgians are culturally incapable of looking beyond clichees

Hope you don't take offence to this because non was intended.

[David Latta]

Heinz,

Perhaps we should ask Ken to bring back some of that Belgium wet stuff. I am sure he won't mind standing the excess baggage charges.

Like you, we need rain very badly in South Oz. Things are very grim indeed mate.

David

[railroadguy]

Continuing to wander off topic but...

I know this is serious down there. Are there are desalination plants in the area. It's expensive but if things don't get better might be worth looking into.