DVD MovieFactory6 Plus - no support for Sony AVCHD M2TS

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:44 pm

George,
You can go down to BestBuy with a mini dvd-rw disk and record a few minutes then finalize the disk. Actually the less you record the longer it takes to finalize the mini-dvd.
Just a suggestion because people have given their files to me and no go. I don't know how they extracted them off the cam but I couldn't play them in any HD_player and I do have support for that format on the machine, so I thought.

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:54 pm

etech6355 wrote:George,
You can go down to BestBuy with a mini dvd-rw disk and record a few minutes then finalize the disk. Actually the less you record the longer it takes to finalize the mini-dvd.
Just a suggestion because people have given their files to me and no go. I don't know how they extracted them off the cam but I couldn't play them in any HD_player and I do have support for that format on the machine, so I thought.

Thanks etech6355 -- I might try that this weekend. I knew I should have bought that 3-pack of mini-dvdrw discs for 5 bucks -- I just didn't need them at the time. What's the going rate for those nowadays

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:26 pm

Don't know, someone gave me the ones I had.
If you do test one: Menu -> format disk, 3 modes to record in. I use the highest, then finalize.
I remember taking the "T" to BestBuy

markr041 · Post by **markr041** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:32 pm

GeorgeW,

If you want a clip from a Panasonic AVCHD camera, I can send one. A 10-second clip, at the highest setting, could be 30-40 MB's.

mikesijacic · Post by **mikesijacic** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:04 am

This is unbelieveable ... that Movie Factory 6 Plus' product data sheet stating that a product supports AVCHD so explicitly, is dead wrong.

Who wrote the data sheet and why didn't they know what the product does or does not do? Incompetence.

Support of AVCHD is the ONLY reason I purchased this product.

When will uLead/Corel either remove the claims of AVCHD support, or actually support the format?

po'duser · Post by **po'duser** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:19 am

ULEAD? R U LISTENING!!!!

We want our money back!

Where is the AVCHD support?

neonbob · Post by **neonbob** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 6:01 am

Funny... I figured as much. Ulead is really great for this "on the edge of the envelope" kind of advertising. They've done the same crap with blu ray burning... they neglect to tell you for as long as possible that Blu ray support is DATA burning.... not AUTHORING.

Pretty cheap and shady!

etech6355 · Post by **etech6355** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:34 pm

What programs are available to make a true Blu-Ray Diskk?
I thought the hold up was the new protection scheme used on Blu-Ray disks
along with the proper licensing to write the software.

Post by **Ron P.** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:50 pm

That was my understanding too? They originally released the Blu-Ray with VS10+ however had to pull it rather quick due to the licensing issue. I had one of the Beta releases as a tester that had the BD ability.

neonbob · Post by **neonbob** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:19 pm

etech6355 wrote:What programs are available to make a true Blu-Ray Diskk?
I thought the hold up was the new protection scheme used on Blu-Ray disks
along with the proper licensing to write the software.

The only one that I know of that CLAIMS to actually AUTHOR a blu ray disk is Roxio's DVDitPRO. I say "CLAIMS" because there are a few people on the avid liquid board testing the product and it seems to be a failure.

http://www.avid.com/exchange/forums/thread/205076.aspx

markr041 · Post by **markr041** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:38 pm

Just to clarify:

There are two issues: The first is to author a disc that will play in a Blu-ray player using the camcorder AVCHD high definition files in their original glory. This does not require a blu-ray disc. And software exists to do this. But the Ulead product does not do this. A regular DVD-R that plays in a Blu-ray player can hold over 40 minutes of AVCHD video with 5.1 surround sound. A DL DVD-R plays over 80 minutes of AVCHD video (makes one wonder why one needs a Blu-ray disc at all given the price difference).

The second challenge is to author a Blu-ray video disk, one that holds 25 GB of data. The Ulead product does not do this either.

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 4:53 pm

markr041 wrote:Just to clarify:

There are two issues: The first is to author a disc that will play in a Blu-ray player using the camcorder AVCHD high definition files in their original glory. This does not require a blu-ray disc. And software exists to do this. But the Ulead product does not do this.

That's true. I believe MF6+ will allow you to capture from a video source directly to Blu-ray disc. That means you don't get menu-authoring like you can with regular DVD's (or even basic HD-DVD's). You can only capture directly to Blu-ray disc. (well, that is how I understand it, but perhaps I am misinterpreting how the feature is supposed to work).

markr041 wrote: The second challenge is to author a Blu-ray video disk, one that holds 25 GB of data. The Ulead product does not do this either.

That's correct -- as noted above -- it is a straight-capture-to-blu-ray function.

markr041 wrote: GeorgeW,

If you want a clip from a Panasonic AVCHD camera, I can send one. A 10-second clip, at the highest setting, could be 30-40 MB's.

If you can, that would be great

Regards,
George

markr041 · Post by **markr041** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:05 pm

GeorgeW,

I do not understand what you mean by capture right to disk. The AVCHD camcorders that write to DVD-R's already do this, resulting in a compatiable Blu-ray disc. So what's the value-added? The Ulead product is supposed to be editing software. And the non-Ulead software that makes blu-ray compatibale DVD-R's from files does make menus, or at least thumbnails and allows you to discard scenes, combine them and split them. There is no point in capturing directly to a Blu-ray disc if you cannot edit.

Where do I send you a file?

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:15 pm

From what I read (I don't have anything HD yet), it's a function that captures directly to Blu-ray burner/disc. Not all video source is HD, so you can capture from your SD/HDV camcorder directly to a blu-ray disc. MF6+ does not allow "menu creation" and "editing" for Blu-ray (afaik -- it is a direct-capture-to-Blu-ray burner/disc). It does allow "basic" authoring for HD-DVD's that can be burned to HD-DVD discs, or even DVD5/9 discs (space permitting).

I've sent you a pm about the test file

Regards,
George

neonbob · Post by **neonbob** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:35 pm

I think the confusion here is DATA burning versus AUTHORING.

Data burning is merely (more or less) COPYING a file to a disk. MF6 will do this... as with several other programs.

AUTHORING is a method used in video to set up the disk with a menu system, chapters, previews... and other goodies.

It is taken for granted that when most if not all video edit programs talk about going to disk... they are talking about AUTHORING not data burning. If in fact the program is talking about data burning, then one would figure that a video edit/burning program has a CLEAR obligation to spell out that AUTHORING is not possible.