No Audio on my final DVD (MF5+)??

XiRoCCo · Post by **XiRoCCo** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:30 am

Hi -

I have several AVI clips that were rendered using VS10 NTSC DV (4:3) mode. Using DVDMF-5plus I inserted the clips, created a nice menu which includes music in the background, and ran the rendering (burn) process. On the final DVD the menu music plays fine, but the audio on each and every video clip that I burned is gone. The video is there - just no audio.

The AVI files play fine on my computer - with all audio and video working great. I tried the finished DVD on both my computer and TV's DVD player - no audio on either.

edit: I should add here that I didn't select any special functions like "normalize audio" - pretty much left MF in basic mode (no changes from when I installed the program a few days ago).

Here are the MPEG properties for file conversion (from project properties):
MPEG files
24 bits, 720 x 480, 29.97 fps
(DVD-NTSC), 4:3
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 7000 kbps)
Audio data rate: 256 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0(L,R)

Not sure what other information you might need to help - please ask - I'll be glad to supply any needed info to help fix this issue.

What am I missing here?

Thanks,
--Kevin

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:44 am

What were the source clips? Where did they come from? Properties?

XiRoCCo · Post by **XiRoCCo** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:57 am

They were captured on a Fuji S5100 (still image camera w/limited video capability). The camera shoots 640x480 @ 29.97fps @ 128kbps. The final renderings (after importing the clips into VideoStudio10 and rendering as described above) are 720x480 @ 29.97fps @ 1536kbps.

Any thoughts?

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:01 am

Sorry, have to pass here. I would never attempt to convert such low resolution video to DVD. Sure the sound was embedded in the video or was it a separate stream and you "neglected" to incorporate it into your project?

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:04 am

XiRoCCo wrote:They were captured on a Fuji S5100 (still image camera w/limited video capability). The camera shoots 640x480 @ 29.97fps @ 128kbps. The final renderings (after importing the clips into VideoStudio10 and rendering as described above) are 720x480 @ 29.97fps @ 1536kbps.

Any thoughts?

What's the 1536kbps -- is that the AUDIO

What are the exact properties of the rendered videos -- you mentioned DV -- are they DV .avi's, and if so, are they Type-1 or Type-2

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:09 am

I doubt that very much. Most likely mp4 in an AVI wrapper.

I'm surprised there is distinguishable video on that "DVD"

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:13 am

heinz-oz wrote:I doubt that very much. Most likely mp4 in an AVI wrapper.

I'm surprised there is distinguishable video on that "DVD"

Here's what was said in the intial post:

I have several AVI clips that were rendered using VS10 NTSC DV (4:3) mode.

XiRoCCo · Post by **XiRoCCo** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:14 am

not very helpful

... any suggestions that "might" allow me to burn these videos to DVD? I don't mind going back to the original AVI's (raw from the camera), but was hoping that I could use my VS10 versions which compiled segments which belong together into longer clips. I'd very much like to burn these to TV ready DVD.

Thanks,
--Kevin

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:19 am

XiRoCCo wrote:not very helpful ... any suggestions that "might" allow me to burn these videos to DVD? I don't mind going back to the original AVI's (raw from the camera), but was hoping that I could use my VS10 versions which compiled segments which belong together into longer clips. I'd very much like to burn these to TV ready DVD.

Thanks,
--Kevin

Try using the "Normalize Audio" option on the burn step (you might want to create a small test project just to see if it works).

XiRoCCo · Post by **XiRoCCo** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:20 am

good idea - i'll give that a try

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:26 am

XiRoCCo wrote:not very helpful ... any suggestions that "might" allow me to burn these videos to DVD? I don't mind going back to the original AVI's (raw from the camera), but was hoping that I could use my VS10 versions which compiled segments which belong together into longer clips. I'd very much like to burn these to TV ready DVD.

Thanks,
--Kevin

Firstly, you still haven't told us what the source format is. It definately is not DV-AVI.

Secondly, the poor nature of these, "so called" videos from still cameras are problematic at best to put onto DVD. The low bit rate, small frame size and frame rate are not supported by DVD standards.

I would not attempt to make these full frame DVD either. Go for 1/2 size or the smallest frame size your TV standard allows for.

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:40 am

XiRoCCo wrote:They were captured on a Fuji S5100 (still image camera w/limited video capability). The camera shoots 640x480 @ 29.97fps @ 128kbps. The final renderings (after importing the clips into VideoStudio10 and rendering as described above) are 720x480 @ 29.97fps @ 1536kbps.

Any thoughts?

In a word gimmicks.
Most camcorders can take snapshots. I doubt very much that the quality would be as good as an image taken from a digital camera.

Most Digital cameras can record video. I doubt very much that the video from such a camera would be as good as that taken from a camcorder.

Mobile phones can take snapshots and also video - I have one of those phones. The quality is good but nothing like a proper snapshot from a digital camera and the video is nothing like the video taken from a camcorder.

I see these options to do other things as things of convenience and also selling points by the manufacturers.

All you can do is make the best of what you've got and not expect miracles. Unless you are a photographer for a newspaper - who eats with his camera, sleeps with his camera etc. then obviously you don't go walking round carrying all of your equipment with you and if something dramatic happens you have to make do with whatever is available at the time - which may possibly be your mobile phone.

If you are going somewhere where you anticipate a filming opportunity such as a wedding, visit to the theme park etc. then make sure you have the correct equipment with you.

XiRoCCo · Post by **XiRoCCo** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:14 pm

heinz-oz wrote:Firstly, you still haven't told us what the source format is. It definately is not DV-AVI.

Could you explain what kind of answer you are looking for here. I'm still very new to video editing and do not know the possible answers to this question. As mentioned above, I was able to re-render these using VS10 to NTSC DV (4:3) formats. Is that not now the format? Or does the original format remain embedded within these new renderings? I know the quality will never be better than the original captures taken by the camera - and that's ok.

heinz-oz wrote:Secondly, the poor nature of these, "so called" videos from still cameras are problematic at best to put onto DVD. The low bit rate, small frame size and frame rate are not supported by DVD standards.

I've actually burned these "so called" videos before using DVDMF-3-SE. I just reinstalled that software and am attempting a burn right now. Hopefully this will work - as it has before. I get that these are crappy quality - but they are "video" and they are important to me. Some of the videos are memories that I will be keeping around for years to come - many are of 4 of my pets which I lost over the past year and a half (bad times). So while I appreciate the differences between good and bad quality I still am going to press on and get these burned to a DVD come hell or high water

... for obvious reasons. Don't really care if they look crappy on the TV - as long as I can watch them.

Overall, thanks for the comments - as I upgraded to a GS500 a few months back I recognize the obvious limitations of the videos shot on my Fuji camera. Guess I was hoping for more than a beating down of expert opinions on how bad these video files are - didn't ask - don't care - I get it

. For reasons stated above - they will make it to DVD. As I have burned these low quality files successfully to DVD on previous occasions, it was not until upgrading to MF5+ that the audio dropped out of the final version. So it can be done, and I was hoping for advice on things I could try to make this happen. Please see my original post.

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:25 pm

Hi Kevin,

I've been trying to help you get your videos onto DVD (with audio). I did read your original post, and understood that you output DV .avi's using VideoStudio 10 -- so they should be considered DV .avi's at that point. I don't understand why others are beating you up on your source material

I take it the "Normalize Audio" option didn't help?

Do the dv .avi's play with audio on your computer? And are those the only videos you are using in your project? (or are you adding the "original" videos in your MF5 project)?

Regards,
George

XiRoCCo · Post by **XiRoCCo** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:56 pm

GeorgeW wrote:Hi Kevin,

I've been trying to help you get your videos onto DVD (with audio)

George - my humblest apologies, as you were in no way the target of my rant

...

I was hoping to test the Normalize Audio idea, but have not tried it yet. I remembered that my older version of DVDMF-3 could burn these videos - so am in the middle of a rendering session now.

Yes, the NTSC DV 4:3 versions play perfectly on the computer - sound and all - and these are the versions I'm adding to my MF project (not the originals - but will try that as my third test before moving on). I'll report back after my test with MF3 test.

Thanks George!
--Kevin