LFF, UFF or Frame Based

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LFF, UFF or Frame Based

Post by Phil S »

I know that LFF should be used for Digital Capture and UFF for Analogue Capture but I am using VS Create Disc to burn a DVD using a DVD Compliant VOB file that has been created with SUPER and I am unsure what field order to set in the Create Disc MPEG settings. There is no indication in the properties of the file as to what field order it is.
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Post by GeorgeW »

If you select the "Do not convert compliant mpeg files" option (and plan to use your source files "asis"), it shouldn't modify anything in your dvd-compliant assets (i.e. no need to worry about making the Create Disc mpeg settings match exactly).

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George
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Post by Phil S »

Thanks George. I think I wrongly assumed that VS would not render only if you had all settings the same in the Create Disc MPEG settings panel.

I assume then that if you have the box ticked and the files properties are DVD compliant it will ignore whats in the settings and go straight to building menus, VOB creation and burn.
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Post by GeorgeW »

Phil S wrote:I assume then that if you have the box ticked and the files properties are DVD compliant it will ignore whats in the settings and go straight to building menus, VOB creation and burn.
That's how it works for me (I'm in NTSC land).

However, I have seen several folks here post to the contrary -- they recommend you match the properties exactly in the Create Disc module. But I NEVER do that, and my compliant assets never get re-rendered (using that "do not convert.." option).

Try it yourself to see if it works the same for you (you should be able to tell if your Titles are being re-rendered because it will take more time than if it uses your assets "asis").

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George
Trevor Andrew

Post by Trevor Andrew »

Hi Phil

In the burn module, if the ¡¥progress bar¡¦ first indicates Convert Titles then your main video mpeg is being rendered, this will take a long time.

If the progress bar first indicates Convert Menu then all is well, and the mpeg is not being rendered

My preference is to set the project properties to match the video file, before doing Share Create Disc, This ensured that the menu templates defaulted to the correct aspect ratio 16:9 or 4:3
Yep you can change this in VS 10 in the burn stage but not using the earlier versions.

And like George I never change any property settings in the burner module.
Every video file burns without re-render.

Regards

Trevor
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Post by Trevor Andrew »

Hi Maddrummer

I set my project properties to match my video file before going Share Create Disc.
When I do enter the burner module the properties shown under the cogwheel match my settings and my video files exactly. I have no reason to change any properties from the burner module.

Working Folder
I agree that the location of this second working folder should be explained a little more.
Not all users are aware that VS 9 and 10 have two working folders.
And I don¡¦t know why there is two?

Regards

Trevor
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Post by Trevor Andrew »

Hi MD

Usually my existing edited project is Avi. I need a project with mpeg properties.

I render my project to Mpeg 2 files.
I start a new project
Insert the mpeg2 file , allowing VS to change the project properties to match the video properties. I do not have to enter any properties VS does that for me.
I delete the Mpeg 2 from the timeline
I go Share-Create Disc-Add video.

Its just what I got used to doing, it works for me.

I worked with VS 8 and widescreen 16:9.
There was no option to default the project properties to 16:9
This had to be done manually, unlike the later versions.
I had to ensure that 16:9 was my project settings to enable the burner to display 16:9 menu¡¦s otherwise I had to use 4:3 menu.
Once in the burner module you couldn't change the menu aspect ratio, unlike later versions.


Trevor
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Post by maddrummer3301 »

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Post by Trevor Andrew »

As you say

There is no BEST. It's what works BEST for you.

Regards Trevor
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Post by daniel »

This is a detail, but if you wish to edit further when checking chapters etc you DON'T need to clear the timeline.

When you switch to create disc, your timeline project will be loaded as first clip, but if you just delete that thumbnail and then import your MPG file, everything will be ok, and when your close MovieFactory again you could return to editing quickly.
This my understanding of it.
I have been proven wrong on several occasions in my life. It's not going to improve.
Trevor Andrew

Post by Trevor Andrew »

Hi Daniel

I had to read that a few times to understand.
I think I get where you are coming from.

So you Share Create Disc
Delete the project thumbnail
Add video-mpegs (any Mpegs)
Create the menu and burn

Close the burner module and¡K¡K¡K

This may get confusing but I will look into it.

Its like having two project running in one.

I think

Trevor
ps working with VS
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Post by Trevor Andrew »

Hi Daniel Again

This was the first reply until i understood your post, decided to send any way.

If you switch to create disc with a clip in the timeline, doesn¡¦t VS render the video prior to burning.?????? (not if you delete the project)

It has to, as it needs a Mpeg 2 file to burn. Nothing wrong with that, but I don¡¦t work that way.

Yes I am long in the tooth and prefer to create my own file prior to burning.
I can view the finished movie, as a separate file and not a project.

At the moment I am working on a dvd with 24 Mpegs, each about 5 minutes long.
Rendered at 4000 it may fit.

As a back up to Mini-Dv tape I need Avi files

My work flow is :-

Edit
Share Create Video --Avi
Batch convert Avi to Mpeg
Burn Mpeg.s

By the way batch convert seems to be quicker than Share Create Video File.
I will be watching the time in future.

Regards Trevor
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Post by Black Lab »

trevor andrew wrote:By the way batch convert seems to be quicker than Share Create Video File.
I will be watching the time in future.
It would be interesting to hear of your results.
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