is their a way????

ShortStack · Post by **ShortStack** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:03 am

i can edit how much it will compress my video??? i have my christmas video which is 52 min long and it only makes it 2.5gb on the dvd is their a way i can make it the full 4.5gb?

thanks in advanced

Post by **Ken Berry** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:30 am

It really depends on what your original video format was. If your video was captured from a mini DV video camera, for instance, and captured as DV format, then 52 minutes would be around 11.5 GB. When you rendered that to high quality DVD-compatible mpeg-2, using a bit rate of 8000 kbps, then it would produce a file of around 4GB to burn to DVD.

But since you tell us nothing about the source of the original files or their properties, what you have done to them by way of editing, what format they are currently in, the version of VS you are using, or even what your computer specs and operating system are, we would only be guessing.

ShortStack · Post by **ShortStack** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:42 am

Ken Berry wrote:It really depends on what your original video format was. If your video was captured from a mini DV video camera, for instance, and captured as DV format, then 52 minutes would be around 11.5 GB. When you rendered that to high quality DVD-compatible mpeg-2, using a bit rate of 8000 kbps, then it would produce a file of around 4GB to burn to DVD.

But since you tell us nothing about the source of the original files or their properties, what you have done to them by way of editing, what format they are currently in, the version of VS you are using, or even what your computer specs and operating system are, we would only be guessing.

yes its from a minidv camera, ulead vs 10, captued in dv-avi (highest quality). As for editing jsut some filtering and titles.

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:18 pm

Hi

Your files of 2.5 Gb seem a little low I would have expected about 3.5 Gb.

When you completed the editing did you :-

1 / Share-Create Video File

Or

2 / Share-Create Disc

Using option two, video studio would render the project in the burner module using the default settings (7000Kbps) (now I would expect 2.5 Gb) Although this is very good quality.
Using option one would have given 8000 kbps, assuming you select the Dvd option, and a file size nearer to 4 Gb

To check the file properties, right click a video clip in the timeline and select properties.

Hope this Helps

Trevor

Post by **Ken Berry** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:46 pm

You need also to be aware that if you have used Trevor's Option 2, the default (unless you change it) also uses a default Field Order of Frame Based. This is fine if you only intend to play your DVD on your computer or if you have a fancy digital TV which uses progressive scan.

However, if you intend to distribute the DVD to friends and family who have a variety of TVs, then you will definitely need to change the Field Order to Upper Field First or Lower Field first. Seeing that your original source material is DV, then you need to use Lower Field First. (Analogue source material and some mini DVD and hard disc video cameras use Upper Field First.)

Using Trevor's Option 1, you also need to remember to set the Field Order correctly as well as choosing the higher bitrate.

lakewud · Post by **lakewud** » Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:40 pm

All very intresting but also - for me at least - highly confusing!..all this higher lower field malarky!! and birates etc etc ...Wheres all that in the mini VS10 booklet!!

So - in english then...if i was wanting to get the best results possible - to make numerous copies to share with family and friends of a..say...50 min dvd with plently of transitions and the like....your saying Ken's option 1 is the better.

Please explain to me, having created a decent project using vs9, using option 2, doing copies for friends etc...all worked fine..the quality i am more than happy with...Once id finished with all my copies, before i deleted my project from VS, i did - as is so often mentioned on this site - create video file....for some reason thou, i just felt that the quality this produced wasnt quite as good..dont know why...maybe had something to do with the fact i couldnt render my project twice! now ive created a video file for it..would this be correct?

SO - PLEASE, in laymans terms...spell it out for me...what do you mean when you use all these high brow words...field order etc?To be honest, i dont even know why this the original question has been asked in this thread? please explain?

Post by **Ken Berry** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:43 am

You may like to think of it as malarkey, but if you get Field Order wrong, you might as well throw away the DVD now!

Anyhow, here is a newbie's guide to what you need to do in your case.

1. Finish your editing using the original DV files.

2. Choose Share > Create Video File > then choose PAL (or NTSC) DVD 4:3. Give the new file a name in the little dialogue box which appears. Also check the properties shown in the bottom of that box. For a project that size, for the best quality, it should use a bitrate of 8000 kbps and show Lower Field First. It can also use the high quality LPCM audio format.

3. If either of these (8000, LFF) does not appear, then close the dialogue box and choose instead Custom at the bottom of the drop-down menu. Another dialogue box will appear allowing you to create a custom template. Select 'MPEG files (*mpg)' in the box beside 'Save as type'. Assign your own choice of name to the template. Then click on Options in the same dialogue box. You change the settings in the General and Compression tabs which appear. Click on Save and a new template with your new name should appear down towards the bottom of the drop down menu.

4. Choose your new custom template as the one you want to convert your project to. Assign a name to the file you will be creating and click Save. The conversion process should now begin, the end result being a DVD-compliant mpeg-2 using lower field first and a bitrate of 8000 kbps.

5. Once the conversion process has finished, close your project. With an empty timeline, click on Share > Create Disc and make sure 'DVD 4.7G' is showing in the bottom left hand corner of the burning screen. If not, click the drop menu and change it to that. (But it should be that by default.)

6. Directly under the '4.7G' in 'DVD 4.7G', there is a cogwheel icon. Click on it. Just make sure there is a tick in the box beside 'Do not convert compliant mpeg files'. Don't change anything else. Close that dialogue box.

7. Back in the main burning module page, click on the first big icon in the top left of screen under Add Media (hovering the mouse over it will show it is 'Add video files'). Point to where your new mpeg-2 is stored (usually in the working folder (File > Preferences > General)). Select the file and it should appear in the burning timeline along the bottom of the burning screen.

8. Create your menu and burn.

Simple enough for you?

ShortStack · Post by **ShortStack** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:51 am

i go threw Share-Create Disc and when i get ready to burn it i have it make dvd video file/folder

Post by **Ken Berry** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:24 am

Only if you want to check it out using a software DVD player or you intend to burn many copies.

ShortStack · Post by **ShortStack** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:28 am

btw what is the difference between "DV Video Encoder -- type 1" and DV Video Encoder -- type 2"???

Post by **Ken Berry** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:24 am

Nothing you really need to worry about. Type 2 encodes the video and audio in separate streams, though in a single file. It is used by higher end, more professional programs such as Adobe Premiere Pro and certain other programs. It is more demanding on computers, and less powerful computers often have difficulty dealing with it. Problems usually are jerky video and/or audio.

Type 1 encodes the video and audio in one stream and is not at all demanding of computers.

I don't know why Ulead make Type 2 the default for DV capture, when it should be Type 1.

BrianCee · Post by **BrianCee** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:21 pm

lakewud and ShortStack

You both may benifit by reading through all the material you will find here :-

http://www.ulead.com/learning/videoinfo.htm

..

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:14 pm

Ken Berry wrote:2. Choose Share > Create Video File > then choose PAL (or NTSC) DVD 4:3. Give the new file a name in the little dialogue box which appears. Also check the properties shown in the bottom of that box. For a project that size, for the best quality, it should use a bitrate of 8000 kbps and show Lower Field First. It can also use the high quality LPCM audio format.

The high bitrate of 8000kbps+LPCM audio (=9,536kbps) on writeable discs "might" cause some DVD players to stutter during playback. If you plan to use such a high video bitrate, I would recommend Dolby Digital audio (if possible).

Also, if you use VBR 8000kbps, you run the risk of a bitrate "spike" above the 8000kbps -- this could also cause problems as you go above the spec limit of video+audio on a DVD

Regards,
George