Editing DVD-VR mode

atom · Post by **atom** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:40 am

Hi there,

Recently brought a canon DC100(PAL), it record directly to DVD. Having fun shooting some of the vacation with my family. Turn out that I am shooting like a firehose. Need to edit some of the clips and it was limited.

Here come the fustration, recommended to used VS 10+, which is possible to do some editing. Try with it, and get be excited. Capture some of the clips and burned it to a CD.

Silly of me, brought it home and oops. Nothing turn out. The player does not recognize the disk.

The current system that I am using is a Acer travelmate 650, Pentium 4, 256 mb with CD Rom disk.

1. It is because of the CD rom that is causing the problem.
2. The orginal DVD- VR mode is able to play using the home DVD player.

When went wrong ? Read thru' most of the article on this forum and experience them again and again. But in vain, stills having the problem.

Need some advise. Can anymore provide me some tips.

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:47 am

Your average DVD player is too stupid to realize that you have DVD files on a CD. BTW, that is called a MiniDVD and only a very small number of DVD players recognize that format.

Can you browse the CD content and give us the files that are on it?

atom · Post by **atom** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:02 am

Thanks for the resposne.

Btw, I don't have a DVD writer or burner. Forgot that metioned that i used a CD rom to burn the CD from VS10+. It is because of this problem that the system got fool by it.

The CD content contains a Audio-TS and video-TS folder. In the video-TS folder it has the following file : Video_TS.Bup, Video_TS.IFO, VTS_01_0.BUP, VTS_01.0.IFO and VTS-01_1 and It think is a VOB file.

One more infor, this clips can be played by Window media player and stop once in awhile.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:14 am

What you describe is definitely a DVD structure which you have burned to a CD. And as Heinz has already said, very few DVD players can handle that.

If you do not have a computer with a DVD burner, the only other things you can try are VCDs and perhaps SVCDs. Both of these can be burned to CDs (as opposed to DVDs). But the VCD is a relatively low quality substitute which uses mpeg-1 format. At its very best, its quality can be as good as good VHS tapes. And you can normally fit about an hour or more on one VCD.

An SVCD is a higher quality version of the VCD and uses a special version of mpeg-2 as its format. You can normally fit around 40 minutes of it on one CD. Its quality can be quite good, but again nowhere near as good as a DVD. The downside is that a lot of stand-alone DVD players may have difficulty playing them.

DVD burners are cheap these days. Here is Australia you can get a good one for as low as US$30. I know you have a laptop computer, and a relatively old one at that. But you could do as I did for my own laptop. I bought an LG 16x DVD dual layer burner and an external USB/Firewire case for it for an extra US$35. It is very easy to assemble. And if your computer does not have USB 2.0 ports, you can get sufficient speed by using the Firewire connection. (I am assuming your computer has one of those...?)

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:19 am

Copy the contents to a folder of your choice on your PC and import from there into VS. That should work.

You will need to get a DVD burner though if you want to do anything worthwile with VS. Sure, you can make a VCD (similar to VHS or bit less) or a SVCD ( better than VHS but not by much) and burn that to CD. You will get about 45 minutes onto an 800MB CD blank. Not every DVD player can play SVCD though.

atom · Post by **atom** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:54 am

thanks guys for the quick response.

Yes, I totally agreed with Ken. I'm trying to work on limited resources.The system is old and using a CD writer instead of a DVD burner. Silly of me, correct ? Well, just pick up this hobby and a trying out the editing and burning function VS+ before I proceed to purchase a better hardware.

So happen that the model of DC100 does not bundle with Firewire or USB. So, capturing those footage are by DVD- Vr Mode, direct import.

I follow according some of the setup on this forum and have try a couple of burn CD and it does not work. Try the CD on a couple of DVD player. Same story. Btw, since I am testing out, those clips that I burned are petty short, just about 15 to 30 MB. Just want to make sure that all system ok, before trying out the rest of my full blown 4 DVD VR mode that I have taken during the vacation.

It occured to me, it must be my configuration on the VS+, somewhere went wrong. If it can capture, it should'nt be a problem. I assume it's the burning configuration.It likes looking for a needle in the haystack.

Any protocol that I can follow and try it out step by step and report the situation. Any advise again

atom · Post by **atom** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 7:55 am

thanks guys for the quick response.

Yes, I totally agreed with Ken. I'm trying to work on limited resources.The system is old and using a CD writer instead of a DVD burner. Silly of me, correct ? Well, just pick up this hobby and a trying out the editing and burning function VS+ before I proceed to purchase a better hardware.

So happen that the model of DC100 does not bundle with Firewire or USB. So, capturing those footage are by DVD- Vr Mode, direct import.

I follow according some of the setup on this forum and have try a couple of burn CD and it does not work. Try the CD on a couple of DVD player. Same story. Btw, since I am testing out, those clips that I burned are petty short, just about 15 to 30 MB. Just want to make sure that all system ok, before trying out the rest of my full blown 4 DVD VR mode that I have taken during the vacation.

It occured to me, it must be my configuration on the VS+, somewhere went wrong. If it can capture, it should'nt be a problem. I assume it's the burning configuration.It likes looking for a needle in the haystack.

Any protocol that I can follow and try it out step by step and report the situation. Any advise again

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:02 am

You can follow the advice given on this board to create a DVD all day long. If you then burn the result to CD, not DVD, you are bound to fail. It doesn't matter how big your files are, your DVD player is NOT going to recognize a CD as a DVD even if the file structure was right. The DVD standard also calls for a minimum of 1 GB burned for a DVD to play. With shorter files, this is achieved by padding which your burning program usually does automatically. Now, that wouldn't fit on any CD blank, would it?

As I said before, the only way to deal with that at your current level, is to create VCD or SVCD disks, not DVD.

atom · Post by **atom** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:15 am

Hi heinz, Thank.

Are you trying to tell me to change the configuration during the burn in progress to define that it is a VCD. That should work.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:18 am

Yes. When you have the clips in the timeline, go to Share > Create Video File > VCD. This will produce a VCD-compatible mpeg-1. Then close the project, and with an empty timeline, go to Share > Create Disc > VCD. Insert your mpeg-1 and burn.

Do NOT/NOT choose Share > Create Video File [or Create Disc] > DVD because you are not burning a DVD.

If you do intend to buy a DVD burner soon, as well as producing the VCD above, you might also want to consider this. When I too did not have a DVD burner several years ago, like you I was producing VCDs and SVCDs. But I knew some day I would have a DVD burner. So as well as making a VCD (or SVCD) as outlined above, I would also produce a DVD-compatible mpeg-2 (Share > Create Video File > DVD) and then store it. When I finally bought my first DVD burner, I then had a number of files I could make my first DVD with! And I didn't have to do those projects all over again to get them either...

atom · Post by **atom** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:53 am

Thanks.

Let me try out your suggestion and also provide the verdict when it is done. Wish me luck.

atom · Post by **atom** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:06 am

Hi ken,

Just try your method. Create a video file Under a Mpeg1 file name. close the project and went to share tab.

Add the file and as I proceed it.I came across the Disc Template manger. Clicking show me that the TV is PAl/SEcam and The disc type is DVD. I try changing by clicking the Disc type to VCD and Close.

Then, click next and I preview the clips and it look ok. Next click next and we are a page that refine the create to disc and it show the format as DVD-Video. I hit and click burn.

Having a strong feeling that I went wrong again. Anyway, I'll try out the Burn CD tonite. and keep ypu posted.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:12 pm

Sorry. It has been such a very long time since I have burned a VCD. In fact, I don't think I have even tried since VS8 (and I think it may really only have been with VS7). Anyway, I have just tried it in VS10+, just to see what happens.

First, I converted a perfectly good mpeg-2 file to mpeg-1: Share > Create Video File > VCD.

Then I closed the project. And with an empty timeline, I went to Share > Create Disc. The burning module opened. I inserted the mpeg-1 file in the burning timeline (Add Media). Down in the bottom left of the burning screen, directly above the three little icons, there should be something which by default should be saying 'DVD 4.7G'. Click on that, and a drop down menu will appear. At the very bottom, should be 'VCD' and 'SVCD'. Select VCD.

The space bar at the bottom of the screen should now show a maximum of 700 MB.

A new pop-up dialogue box should also appear, telling you the settings relating to a DVD will be disabled.

You then proceed to build your menu, preview it if you like, then go the the final burning page. It should only give the option of burning to disc on your CD burner drive.

Good luck!!

(Boy -- I almost feel like a paleo-anthropologist, digging up some long forgotten, arcane ritual!!!

)

atom · Post by **atom** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:55 am

Hi Ken, Thanks, it finally worked. It was a short clips without any editing, just perform according to what you yesterday. BUT.. other hicups !!!

Thinking that the DVD - Pioneer which is able to read all the Camrecorder DVD, DVD-R, DVD- RW, DVD-V , WMA etc. will be able to read the burn edited CD. NOPE. It just too stubborn,it don't recognise the CD.

Took the edited CD to other Player- Shinco, It worked. Now, I have a dilemna.

Direct DVD from Camrecorder can read on Pioneer, not on Shinco.
Edited Camrecorder can read on Shinco, not on Pioneer.

What a joke !! It is a DVD complatibility issues, I assume. If that the case, how can one share the CD/DVD with a friend.

I'll take your advise to source for a DVD writer over here, and hooked it up as a external drive.

Finally,not really satisifed with the result. Will try to work on your recent psot method and advise whether it will worked on both player.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:13 am

I am not surprised by your experience with the VCD. First, the Pioneer has to have on its case something that says it will play VCDs. Then, some of these well known, expensive brands are the most difficult about what they will play, and a lot of them have difficulty with home-made VCDs. Yet the cheaper brands will play them with no problem. So really, all you can do is send out copies of your VCDs to your friends and hope they have DVD players that will play them...

I am not sure about the problem with the mini DVD from your camera not being played in the Shinco. Do you know what format it uses? Some DVD players don't like +RW or -RW discs or some of the other types that are used in DVD cameras...

Hopefully, you will get over this problem when you actually buy a DVD burner and produce a full size, standard DVD...