Ulead Version 9 DVD burning

[danbuoy]

No doubt aired before but couldn't find a reference sorry.

When burning a project file to 4.7GB disk, has always worked using "burn" or "fit to burn" (according to size). This time when burning project longer than 1hr and "fit to burn", at end of rendering have message that disk is to small and insert new disk. This has occurred with new DVDR and DVDRW. I'll get complete message later as takes 3+ hrs to get to burning stage. Any ideas welcomed and thanks.

[Ken Berry]

Burning from a project file ...

The reality is that though it may have worked in the past, as many other users have found, it doesn't work all the time -- and for some it never works at all. As it is, it is an enormous ask of your computer: render the project file into a DVD-compatible mpeg-2, create the menu and convert that to mpeg-2, multiplex the video and audio, and actually burn the disc -- and all on the fly. Phew! Throw in a 'reduce to fit' and you are really demanding the virtually impossible: do all the preceding AND also work out the compression and actually reduce everything to fit on to a single layer disc... And you are surprised that the computer has finally thrown in the towel?

If you followed the Recommended Procedure in the top sticky post (which appropriately enough perhaps, now has Sex in the title), you will see that we recommend you don't burn from a project file. Instead you should first convert the project file to DVD-compliant mpeg-2: Share > Create Video File > DVD. And it is at that step you yourself should be selecting properties -- and particularly bitrate -- which will ensure that the mpeg-2 is of a size sufficient to fit on your DVD. If you are after high quality, then a bitrate of 8000 kbps will fit an hour on a single layer disc, or a bit more if you use Dolby or mpeg layer 2 audio. Good quality: 6000 kbps will allow you to burn around 90 minutes. And reasonable quality: 4000 kbps will allow around 2 hours.

Then close your project, and select Share > Create Disc > DVD to open the burning module. Insert your new mpeg-2 file or files; create your menu and burn.

[sjj1805]

Please view:
Authoring a DVD

[danbuoy]

Hiya - many thanks to both of you but I'm a bit confused now, I've looked at both your suggestions and the sticky and welcome further advice.

Whn do I convert the file to a smaller file - when creating the video file or burning to disc and how do I do it?


1) When creating a video file I have options to save in various formats but can't change compresson. I've saved as MPEG2

2) When loading saved file and burning to disk, if select MPEG properties the compression rate is already 8000kb/s. If I set any lower (even 2000Kbps) teh change is negligible - its trying to burn 4.73GB onto the 4.7 disk.

Where am I going wrong?

[sjj1805]

Please view:
Workflow
also
What bit rate settings should I use

[danbuoy]

Many thanks for tour reply - all sorted now and undertsand the process There's a tick box on creating disk "do not convert compliant MPEG files" which needed unselecting for compression to take effect.

Suprised I've been lucky up to now - guess its because my MPEG source files were already less than 4.7Gb, this was the first to be bigger.

[Ken Berry]

You have obviously not paid one scrap of attention to anything Steve or I have said.

There is absolutely no need to use 'reduce to fit' if you get the size of the file(s) you are burning right in the first place. And you do that in the intermediate stage: Share > Create Video File > DVD. You get the size by adjusting the bitrate. With a bitrate of 8000 kbps, you will fit about an hour on a single layer DVD at the best quality; for 90 minutes, use around 6000 kbps and the quality will still be quite good; and 4000 kbps will give you around 2 hours at average but still acceptable quality. You will be able to fit around 10 to 15 minutes more video on a disc if you also choose one of the more compressed audio codecs like Dolby or mpeg layer 2.

As I have already suggested, and Steve sets out in detail in his tutorials, you then close your project, and select Share > Create Disc to open the burning module. Insert your new mpeg-2 file or files. The quantity bar along the bottom should remain green if you got the size of your mpeg-2 right.

And yes, there is a box 'Do not convert compliant mpeg files' which is checked by default. But again, if you got the size of your mpeg-2 files correct in the above step, you leave the box alone.

And if that is not clear enough, you leave it ticked! The file is already DVD-compliant and is the right size, so it does not need to be, and should not be compressed further. It is already ready and the right size to be burnt to disc. If you uncheck the box, VS will compress it again whether or not it needs it, and you DON'T want that... Capisce?

[danbuoy]

Sorry if I didn't undertsand it first time but rudeness doesn't help the novice. At least you've convinced me to buy Pinnacle again next time - prolems abound but much better interface and people.

[Ron P.]

Danbuoy,

I can assure you that Ken is not rude. There are some that can be. Ken and Steve pointed you to a lot of information that should have corrected your problem, however by your follow-up post it appears that you did not take advantage of that.

Let me give an example of what I think in Ken's post made you feel insulted:

I used to be a law enforcement officer with a couple of decades experience. I've had training and experience in just how to talk to different people. When you talk to someone and it is obvious that they may not be paying attention or understand, then you tend to use speech or language that you know gets their attention. It should not matter, but we're humans and it does. So if Ken got your attention with simple language as "not paying a scrap..." then maybe now you understand how to be successful at editing and creating your DVDs.

Anyway if Ken had just continued with basically a repeat of his previous one, then again I think you may have missed the point, so at least he got your attention.