UVS10+ jumpy video in Create Disk

[Ken Berry]

As I have said before a million times (it seems ) the 'workaround' which is really the most secure way of guaranteeing a good product, does NOT take extra time. It is just that you can't go to bed quite as soon as you are at present. If you have a project in the timeline, it MUST be converted at some stage to DVD-compliant mpeg-2 and this conversion process will take exactly the same time whether you do it before or during the burning process. Doing it during the burning process adds extra stress to your computer and some can't accept it. Yes, it may have worked in earlier versions, but VS appears to have been heavily re-written by the new owners, InterVideo, and certainly requires more computer resources to run it than previous versions.

This way, yes, according to the Recommended Procedure, you should produce your DVD compatible mpeg-2 before you even go near opening the burning module, much less going to bed. And if you do produce such an mpeg-2, then you will find that using it in the burning module will probably take less than an hour to burn a single layer DVD at 4x in total. So please don't tell me that you are taking more time to do all this. You are simply having to spend more time awake in order to move between the two processes.

And no one, least of all the users of this forum, have ever said that video editing was meant ot be easy, let alone quick!!!!

[Black Lab]

It is pretty poor that what is clearly a well recognised shortcoming is completely undocumented other than on this forum, eg it surely should be added to the "Knowledge base" on the VS web pages.

Let me start by saying I think it is a safe assumption that most users don't have a problem following the procedure in the manual. That is why Ulead does not recogize the Recommended Procedure. The majority of people visiting this forum are those with problems. If you don't have any problems you have no reason to be here.

But with the plethora of hardware and software in the world today, problems do arise for some people when they use VideoStudio. Most, if not all, of the "regulars" on this forum agree that the success rate is greatly improved by following the Recommended Procedure and that, yes, it should be the Standard Procedure. But I don't know that having it in the manual or on the website would make that much of a difference anyway, since (most, as it seems) people visiting this forum totally ignore the Recommended Procedure post at the top of this forum.

PEOPLE DON'T READ DIRECTIONS!

That is why John Hunter recently added "sex" to the heading - to get people's attention. Day after day, week after week, we ask posters if they are following the RP. Many (most?) have not, and by simply following the RP, their problem is solved.

I have to ask this question of the posters on this thread. Why is it you didn't follow the RP before posting your problem?

[rfgarrett]

Thanks for the responses, although "Black Lab" seems to have missed my point:

I have to ask this question of the posters on this thread. Why is it you didn't follow the RC before posting your problem?

Well, once I found this forum I did read the recommended procedure plus this thread and, yes, it fixed my problem. I only posted because I thought I had some additional detail to add eg I was editing DV, not MPEG as in Gary's case.

Let me start by saying I think it is a safe assumption that most users don't have a problem following the procedure in the manual.

I wonder if this is true, or if many are just not noticing? It was only in my latest DVD (2nd with VS10+) which has several fast pans etc that I noticed jerky video. Going back to the earlier DVD I can now see it there too. And, as with Gary, VS9 did not give this problem. So I tried an experiment as I still have VS9SE installed:

New project; insert short clip; record properties; go straight to share/create disc; check properties. In both cases the project properties after inserting the clip are:

PAL (25fps)
Microsoft AVI files
24 bits, 720x576, 4:3, 25 fps
Lower Field First
DV Video Encoder Type 1

VS9SE: in creat disc the "Preferences" window reports
TV System PAL

Project Settings reports:
MPEG files
24 bits, 720x576, 4:3, 25 fps
Lower Field First
(DVD-PAL), 4:3
etc

VS10+: in creat disc the "Preferences" window reports
TV System NTSC

Project Settings reports:
MPEG files
24 bits, 720x480, 4:3, 29.97 fps
Frame-based
(DVD-NTSC), 4:3
etc


Several posters have indeed commented that video studio defaults to incorrect properties (jchunter for one), but in my case at least VS9 is behaving correctly and VS10 is not.

Well I now know how to avoid the problem so it's not a huge deal, but I made a word doc with screen captures etc and will send in to Ulead & see if they respond

Cheers,
Richard

[Ken Berry]

It is not exactly that VS10 defaults to wrong properties -- it is just that those properties may be wrong for you but completely right for other users.

When you first install VS10, yes, it sets defaults the way you just posted them i.e. using Frame Based as the Field Order. You are expected to change these defaults, and all others in the program if you want to, by using File > Preferences before ever doing any editing, or to vary those preferences each time you start a new project.

Now it might seem counter-intuitive to you and me that VS10 suddenly sets Frame Based as the default on installation, when prior versions set Lower Field First. But from the Corel/InterVideo/Ulead perspective, it probably makes a lot of sense to 'get with the times'.

First, an increasing number of users these days have either mini-DVD or hard disc video cameras (as opposed to mini-DV ones which use Lower Field First). And most of these new type cameras use Upper Field First. So having Lower Field First set as default would need to be changed by them immediately, or they too would suffer the combing effect of a wrong Field Order.

Second, an increasing number of people have digital and High Definition TVs, and these TVs use 'progressive scan' which means they can actually play Frame Based videos with no combing at all. (They can also play videos using either Upper or Lower Field First). So for people with such TVs, having Frame Based set at installation as the default, is much more logical than Upper or Lower Field First. And I am afraid this is the wave of the future for all of us. (Those people, however, have to produce their videos using one of the two latter interlaced fields if they intend to distribute their DVDs to people who don't have a progressive scan TV.)

All I am saying is, is that whichever field order is set as the default on installation, it is not going to please two groups of users.

And for ALL users, it should become second nature to check File > Preferences when they install the program to see that it is set up according to THEIR equipment and needs.

[garywood84]

Thanks to all those who have contributed to this thread so far. I'm pleased to find that I'm not alone with the jumpy output problem and hope that now an increasing number of users are reporting it, Ulead will implement a fix.

Crex - I'm not sure whether or not you were experiencing exactly the same issue as me, since I tried disabling the anti-flicker filter and I still saw the same problem with my output DVD being jumpy.

Let's hope Ulead provide a fix soon.

Gary

[rcf23]

Hello.
I've been working on an MPEG-2 project for several months. Each time I make a minor editing change I go straight from the project timeline to Create Disk, skipping the rendering process in Create Video File. I've burned about 5 versions of the same project to test it on my HDTV. My question is, by doing it this way am I degrading the video quality each time I render/burn from the timeline? Or can I make as many edits and render/burn as many copies as I want from the open project without loss of quality?