UVS10+ jumpy video in Create Disk

[garywood84]

I'm using UVS10+ to create DVDs from captures made in MPEG format using an analogue capture card (captured using other software and imported as video files).

The videos look fine in the main preview of UVS but when I click on Create Disk and run the preview in there it is jumpy, with the picture moving in small jerks. The video rendered for DVD burning is similarly jumpy, both played back on PC and in a DVD player.

I never had problems with UVS9. Can anyone advise what may be causing this and how I can fix it?

Thanks,

Gary

[Ken Berry]

WE need to know the properties of your captured mpeg files -- right click on one within VS and copy down its properties and post them here.

But I would hazard the guess that they were captured, as they should have been, using a Field Order of Upper Field First (for analogue video), and you are possibly using Lower Field First in your project/burning settings... You will need to check that as well. That too should be Upper Field First to match the original video Field Order.

[garywood84]

Thanks, Ken.

I have double checked, but UVS is set to Upper Field First in my Create Disc project, so it appears that that isn't the problem. And, I'm not doing anything different from what I did with UVS9.

Anyway, the mpeg file properties are as follows:

Video
Video type: MPEG-2 Video, Upper Field First
Attributes: 24 bits, 720 x 576, 4:3
Frame rate: 25.000 frames/sec
Data rate: 6400 kbps

Audio
Audio type: MPEG Audio Layer 2 Files
Attributes: 48000 Hz, 16 Bit, Stereo
Layer: 2
Bit rate: 384 kbps

Thanks in advance if you can help further.

Gary

[Ron P.]

What about your project properties, they should also be set to Upper Field First? I'm reading your post as if you set it or checked it when you went to Share>Create Video File. If you captured with UFF, but your Project settings are LFF, then that would cause the video to be jittery.

[garywood84]

vidoman,

Thanks for your reply. When I click on "Create Disk" and then click to set the output settings, it is set as Upper Field First without me changing anything.

Gary

[garywood84]

Just a bit more information to make things even more confusing... I've just discovered that the video is only jumpy if it's been edited in some way!!

So, if I open a video, set the start point (say, to cut off some black at the beginning) and end point, then click Create Disk, the Preview of the disk (and the disk itself, if I create it) have jumpy video.

But, if I open a video, and, without editing it in any way, click Create Disk, the preview and created disk are perfect!

Anyone got any ideas?!

Thanks,

Gary

[Ron P.]

I understand about the "Create Disc", however what I'm asking about is your Project Propertes, (File>Project Properties). VS should when you place the first video into the timeline, change to that videos properties. However I just dragged a WMV clip from the library to the timeline. My project properties did not change. So my Project Properties were MPEG2 NTSC DVD... however my video clip properties were WMV. This would cause a problem, such as jittering, if the field order was opposite (in my case the field order of the WMV is Frame Based) to my Project Properties...

[garywood84]

vidoman,

Sorry for the confusion. I checked the Project Properties before inserting the video (i.e. Properties of a new project) and it was set as MPEG Lower Field First. However, after inserting the video, these properties automatically changed to reflect the properties of the actual video clip:

PAL (25 fps)
MPEG files
24 bits, 720 x 576, 25 fps
Upper Field First
(MPEG-2), 4:3
Video data rate: 6400 kbps
Audio data rate: 384 kbps
MPEG audio layer 2, 48 KHz, Stereo

These properties match exactly the properties of the video clip itself, as I posted above.

However, when I then click Create Disk, it I look at the Properties of the Disk Creation Template it opens, these do not match the video file (whereas with Version 9, I think they used to). This is what they are set at:

PAL (25 fps)
MPEG files
24 bits, 720 x 576, 25 fps
Frame-based
(DVD-PAL), 4:3
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 7000 kbps)
Audio data rate: 256 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0(L,R)

However, even if I change these settings to match the video clip, it still turns out jumpy.

I think I may have to just uninstall version 10 and revert to version 9, unless anyone can suggest anything else?

Gary

[Ron P.]

Unless you are ready to give up, we'll keep trying to come up with a solution. Is this the first attempt you have made using VS10 + ? I'm not that concerned about your preview being jerky., however in the burn module it generally is not, because the only thing being added is menus. There is nothing for VS to compile on the fly. I think that we may need to start from the beginning so we might be able to find that something we are obviously overlooking..

Please complete your System Information in your profile. Clicking on this button --> will take you to a short tutorial, explaining how to find and complete that information. This way it will always be available, and will save you from retyping it in the future.

I realize you are not doing anything differently then you have done in VS9, but you might have just gotten away with it in VS9 where VS10+ is not allowing it. Are you using the Rendered (Share>Create Video File) video files in the burn module, or are you going straight from the editor to the burn module, with a project? (Share>Create Disc). Are you shutting down any intrusive background applications when trying to burn? What type of menus are being used, motion, smartscene, thumbnail or text?

Is this jerkiness happening at the same place to the same video file? Have you tried other video files to see if happens to them also? Do you still have VS9 installed, if so have you tried the same clips to see if the problem presents itself within VS9?

I know you are probably feeling like throwing in the towel, but so far Ken and I are the only ones that have had a chance at this. There are several more members, that I know have more expertise then I (not speaking for Ken), and have not had a look at this problem yet.. Hang in there...

[garywood84]

vidoman,

Thanks for your further reply. I'm quite happy to continue trying to find a fix if you can help me - I'm just reaching the point of thinking that there must be a bug in VideoStudio 10+.

As requested, I have updated my profile with system information.

I'm not rendering the video files before creating the disk - I just set up the project in the main editor, then click Create Disk to make the DVD. If I just insert a clip of video and do nothing to it, but just click the Create Disk button, it works fine. But, if I've edited the video in any way, then the preview and the final disk are jumpy. The audio is fine, but the entire picture, from beginning to end is jumpy. I am not adding any menus.

I have tried using several video files, including ones which I processed without any problem using VS9, but all give the same problem.

Gary

[Ron P.]

Ok, now I think we are getting somewhere, at least on the right road...

1. You are editing a MPEG-2 files. It can be done, as you have done with VS9, however it is a format that is not very foregiving when it is edited. I do not edit MPEG-2, as I can capture and edit DV.

2. You are not following the recommended procedures as outlined in the top sticky of this forum.
Recommened Procedures Updated Version They are not rules set in stone, but have been developed to provide the best possible solution. In your case going straight to the burn module, without rendering your project first. Like I stated earlier you may have gotten away with this workflow before, but sometimes it catches you. Theoretically VS should function without first rendering a video file first, but this is done anyway in the burn module, so to lessen the burden while trying to also burn a disc, it is recommended to do this first.
Also since you are skipping the render, then yes VS has to compile your edits on the fly, which is no simple feat, and even your PC would be struggling.

Couple of worthwhile readings (you may already be familiar with them)..

You might want to review Steve's tutorial on Creating a Video Editing Profile.

You might want to read through From Camcorder to DVD tutorial.

I think that if you render a video file from your project (Share>Create Video File) and make sure your properties match, also make sure the Do not Convert MPEG-2 Compliant Files is checked then it may correct the issue.

Member TDK1044 captures and edits MPEG-2 successfully all the time. Do a search using his name and MPEG, you should come up with several posts that will help you. He also has used previous versions as well as VS10+. So you should be able to...

[garywood84]

Thanks for this.

I'm editing MPEG-2 files because that is the only format my analogue capture card can capture in.

I'm confused as to why rendering before using Create Disk should make any difference because my understanding was that Creak Disk did the same as rendering, but then created a Disk from the result rather than just leaving it as a file on the hard drive.

Anyway, to test it out, I've tried creating a video file from one of the videos that was turning out jumpy. Interestingly, VS10 automatically set the output settings for the MPEG to be the same as the source video, unlike what it does with Create Disk. The resultant video plays back smoothly.

So, next I started a new VS project and inserted the rendered video, rather than the original. So, this file had no edits applied to it - I just wanted to make it into a DVD. Clicking the Create Disk option, the preview showed the same jumpiness that I'd had when using the original video, but worse - it's still there on the output DVD.

I'm getting really fed up with this now. I copied the same video file onto an old computer, which still has VS9 installed and it did the whole render/create disk process in one go and produced a faultless disk. If I install VS10 on that machine, it too shows the same jumpy effect.

So, my conclusion now is that either (a) Ulead have added some obsure settings somewhere which I need to configure in order to create a decent disk, or (b) There's a bug in UVS10.

Any more ideas, vidoman, or anyone?!

Gary

[Ron P.]

I done a search on TDK1044 (Terry), and VS, I found one of the posts that I had in mind. Terry done some testing an concluded that with VS10+ the Smart Render option is once again broken with MPEG-2. You can read his post here: http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... 4298#74298

I'm not going to deny that this is probably a bug with VS10+, especially since it works for you with VS9. With that I'm inclined to think it has to do with the Smart Render function. So if you have been checking the Smart Render option, uncheck it.

The primary reason for rendering to a video file before going to the burn module, is due to the amount of work your PC must do. It must assemble the edits, transitions, music, text, etc., compile the menus and any motions that they may have including any background music, then create Compliant DVD files, then mix the whole lot together, all in the same process. For most people, the PCs being used, can not handle this with any degree of success. So removing the most resource intensive part from the Creation of the DVD disc, and doing it first, will increase the likelyhood of a disc being created without problems.

[garywood84]

vidoman,

I can't find a way to turn off Smart Rendering within the Create DVD options, only when I use the Create Video File option to render before creating the DVD.

I've tried this, and it doesn't appear to make any difference. The file created plays smoothly, but when I then use this as the source video to create a disk, the result is jumpy -- exactly as it was when I used Smart Render.

I think that whatever the bug in this version is, it's in the Create DVD module. Outputting video any other way doesn't create any problems. The Create DVD module seems to start off wrong from the very beginning -- it doesn't detect the correct properties of the video clip and set itself up accordingly. My video has a bit rate of 6400 kbps Constant, but Create DVD defaults to 700 kbps variable. So, even though I'm ticking the box that says "Do not convert compliant MPEG files", I'm not sure what that's doing, because it doesn't seem to know the true properties of the MPEG files.

Any more ideas, or shall I just go back to VS9 and stop upgrading when new versions of VS are released?

Gary

[Ron P.]

The burn module (Create Disc) is like a separate program/utility. It has it' own Preferences, working folder designations, and Project Properties. So it is not going use the properties of your Editing Module. You need to set this up within the burn module. You can however setup a Template, that will be available to use in the future. Click on the Left lower icon (Settings and Options) and select Disc Template Manager. Now you can start with one of the provided templates and change it to fit what you need, then save it, by providing a name for it. You can also create a new template from scratch. Then when you click on the Change MPEG Settings your template will be available to choose from, and you will not have to go through editing several settings...

I guess one way to illustrate this, is open VS without placing anything in the timeline. Go to Share Step. Look at the options that are greyed-out, compared to those that are available. You can go to Create Disc, without any project. The Create Disc button just opens a utility called Disc Wizard. Then in the Create Disc Wizard you are able to Insert Video Files, Insert VSP project files, import DVD files, and files from Mobile devices, so it is acting independently of the editor.