This has not happened before

daddog · Post by **daddog** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:42 pm

I seem to have two problems. One is some film clips I have imported into Ulead do not have the sound in sync with the clip. I imported about a dozen and 3 are off by about a second. I split the video and sound and then adjusted the sound on the clip which did the trick, but I still have no idea what would have caused it. Have not added any new hardware or any new software except VS10. Could that be the problem???

The other issue is when I burn the DVD (again I have changed nothing from what I have done before) some of the clips don¡¦t have sound. It has really left me scratching my head.

Ideas anyone?

daddog · Post by **daddog** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:07 pm

Even tried it in the trial version of VS10. Same problem. Some clips (it is random) the sounds are choppy, or absent. Most of the clips are fine. Each time I render it is different clips.

I have a Liteon DVD drive. It is only a couple years old. I have maybe burned a 100 or so DVD's on it. Could that be it?

What DVD drives to you guys use with success?

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:41 pm

Problem #1: How did you "import" the clips?

Problem #2: Since the hiccups are random it sounds like it could be a bad batch of media or the burner. Do you have another brand of media that you could try?

(I have a Memorex 16x Double Layer DVD+R/-R internal burner both at home and at work. It has provided me trouble free performance.)

htchien · Post by **htchien** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:48 pm

If you provide some information by following the steps in http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=8959 would be great.

H.T.

daddog · Post by **daddog** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 4:54 am

Jeff I imported the clips as I always have. Clicked on the load video icon in VS9 did a browse for the clip or clips I wanted and imported them. They are all MPEG files and when I view them (prior to import into VS9) via Real Player and or Windows Media they are fine. After they are imported and I view them. Maybe it is my DVD burner. What brand do you use?

Htchien here you go.

SUBJECT: Sounds not in sync with all video clips. Seems random. Not buring correctly.

Nature of the problem: Stated above in post.

Properties of your source files (format, file size, where did you get it?) They are all MPEG files that I have imported from my Sony DVD 403 video camera I have had for a couple years. Most of them are about 20 to 150 megs in size.

What devices are involved and their mode of connection? I just took them from my DVD disk and burned them onto my hard drive. From there I import them into VS9 for editing.

Project Settings
NTSC drop frame (29.97 fps)
MPEG files
24 Bits, 720 x 480, 29.97 fps
Lower Field First
(DVD-NTSC), 4:3
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 8000 kbps)
LPCM Audio, 48000 Hz, Stereo

Output format (file, DVD, VCD, SVCD) DVD

PAL or NTSC NTSC

Error Codes (if any) None

System information (please fill this up in your User Profile). Done.

I have been out of town for a few days. I will try this again tomorrow and will report back. I have re-imported the clips to VS9. All seem OK when I view them prior to the import into VS9 and also view correctly in the project clip screen before I drop them in the time line.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:12 am

One or two things spring to mind. First, my understanding is that files downloaded/imported from a Sony mini DVD camera like yours, use Upper Field First. Yet your project properties show you using Lower Field First. This is definitely not recommended, and will usually result in choppy, jerky video.

Given that you are dealing with DVD quality mpeg-2 files, you should maintain the same properties throughout if possible. There is a complication in that regard with your imported video, in that its audio is Dolby 5.1 surround sound which is what your camera records in. Unfortunately, VS 9 does not deal with 5.1 Dolby, though it can -- in the full version -- handle Dolby dual channel stereo. I am not sure whether it automatically reads 5.1 channel audio into dual channel Dolby stereo...

Anyway, what you should do is import one of your files, right click on it, and write down the properties on a piece of paper. Then go to File > Project Properties, and adjust these if they are different, making sure that the Field Order is Upper Field First. You may need to adjust the audio to Dolby AC-3 dual channel stereo as well, though if you have an SE version of VS9, then you will need to use LPCM as your properties currently show.

You should, after editing, also consider rendering out a new mpeg-2 file which includes your edits. Share > Create Video File > DVD. Again, the properties should match those set in the preceding paragraph. Here you might want to consider not using Smart Render if the audio is still out of synch once you have made sure you have the Field Order and other properties matching throughout. Only when you have this new file do you open the burning module (Share > Create Disc > DVD), build your menu and burn.

And you might want to consider upgrading to VS10+ (the + sign is important) as it gives full functionality to your 5.1 Dolby audio.

daddog · Post by **daddog** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 3:09 pm

Thank you Ken. I will give all you suggested a try. I appreciate you time.

daddog · Post by **daddog** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 6:20 pm

OK I made the changes you suggested. The first few clips I put in were fine, but now I have come across one in VS10 that when I put it in the time line the sound is choppy, yet is plays fine in the project clip screen prior to my inserting it to the time line. Odd.

I tried the same clip in VS9 and it is not choppy, but the moment I place it in the time line it is out of sync.

The issues with these clips seem to start the moment I place them in the time line. Prior to that they are fine. Lastly these clips are from different times of the year. They are not from one batch so the clips are good.

As I have said before the only thing I have changed on my system is installing a trial version of VS10. Unless there is something one of you can come up with I think I will uninstall VS10 and try it with VS9 again.

Ideas?

daddog · Post by **daddog** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:59 pm

Well I have been spending my morning reading up on several threads. I now know I am stuck with MPEG2 files and it would be silly to convert them to AVI and then back to MPEG again.

I am at a loss as to why now (after about 2 years) I am suddenly having issues with video sync. I uninstalled VS10 since that was the only change I had made to my system, but I am still having problem with the clips I import. They are good clips. I have not rendered them previously, but the moment I place them on the time line the audio/video track is off.

At a complete loss as to what would cause this or how to fix it.

I am thinking about uninstalling VS9 and reinstalling it.

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:05 pm

Just to make sure we are singing from the same songsheet, did you import the video files from your DVD as shown here:
Importing DVD files

daddog · Post by **daddog** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:20 pm

No, but I just tried with out success.

I browsed to the folder they are in, but I could not open the folder to import any of them. ??? They are all MPEG files that are opened with Real Player if I want to view them outside of VS9.

I don't understand the difference between just browsing and importing them using the "open video file" folder icon, but I gather their must be as I see from the link you posted.

daddog · Post by **daddog** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:23 pm

I can't open any of my video files as outlined in the link you posted.

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 10:31 pm

Reading the response by Ken you appear to have a mini DVD camcorder in which case you have a DVD disc which will contain VOB files.
Reading your method of importing you mention they are all MPEG files.

Have you renamed the VOB files to MPG or done something else to them?
If you have copied the files to your hard drive, did you copy the complete DVD into a folder and maintained the complete DVD structure - i.e. ALL of the files on your DVD disc including ifo files bup files etc.

daddog · Post by **daddog** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:18 am

After I am done filming I have to "finalized" the mini DVD. Takes a couple minutes on the camera. Then the Sony DVD camera came with some software called Picture Package. It is a movie editing software that is a joke, but that is what I use to transfer the files onto my hard drive.

So I am thinking I should look and see what the files look like (maybe VOB) before I finalize them on the camera, or maybe before I use Picture Package.

So I gather the way you want me to import the files into VS9 would import VOB files.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:16 am

If I can just back in for a moment, something else just popped into my mind. IIRC, the Sony DVD cameras record in their own format which I think is 640 x 480. In other words, it is not 'big' DVD compliant. Using Sony's Picture Package would of course import them in that frame format as well. That will at least account for why VS has to recode the files and where the out of sync creeps in.

Daddog -- can you right click on one of the imported files within Video Studio and write down its frame format size here, please.