HDV Capture problems

[marshalab]

Hi JCHunter,

I like the idea of doing a system restore. That would put me back about 2 weeks. I'm a little afraid to do the system restore, but I'm not sure why. It could be very informative about this compatibility issue VS and MF.

However, so far I've uninstalled and reinstalled both products, which didn't solve the problem, which is interesting by itself, but perhaps windows xp once broken is never fixed.

I poked around the forum a little bit, and with a superficial look, couldn't find people complaining about this issue. My first presumption would be that many people would have both products, but it seems that isn't true. Would be curious to know your thoughts, about the safety of the system restore and how many people own and use both products.

Thanks in advance.

Marshal.

[Ken Berry]

Sorry -- I don't know anything about HD cameras! Hopefully John Hunter will jump in here.

As for the message about the card, just ignore it. I got the same thing, ignored it and got the timecode shown.

[jchunter]

Marshal,
I was somewhat hesitant to try another contraption from Bill Gates (System Restore) but it works well. I have used it several times after getting some unexpected side effects from free (and not so free) software. The System Restore is reversible and you can try several earlier dates and then return to the present if they don't work out.

As for the Date stored on HDV clips from the Clips/Properties menu, I do not get any date or time about when an Mpeg2 HDV captured was recorded - just duration, start time = 0, end time = duration etc. But note that it does report on Field Order correctly.

BTW, I seem to remember reading something in the manual about being able to find out this Exif info if the tape is in the camera, during playback, by using the HC1's touch menus. Have not tried it.

[Ken Berry]

John's last post just reminded me that if you simply hover your mouse over a video file in the library pane, it will give info on the file, including -- in my DV case at least -- the 'Recording Time' which is in the same format I outlined above.

Try that and see if that one at least gives you more than duration.

[tyamada]

As far as I can recall the time code is not captured by VS10 from the HD video stream. The information is on the tape but not captured when HD is captured. It is captured if you switch to SD (DV) mode.

[marshalab]

All comments much appreciated. Yes, my experience tells me that date/time code is a different animal in HD. Hovering over the clip in the library does not yield the date/time info, unfortunately.

Yes, the info can be found in the camcorder, and although a bit inconvenient, this is the way, I can save my clips by date. The HC3 does search clips by date, so this is what I am doing now.

When I really have a moment to sit down and take a look, I'm going to look to system restore, to get back my capture in videostudio.

Thanks to All. I feel grateful for all of the input. How is that for Holiday cheer?

[cgould]

MSPro8 doesn't understand the DV-style timestamp info in HDV captured MPG2 files either, so unless VS10+ has a better feature/support for the HDV, we're stuck without it. Split-by-scene (which used the recording timestamp info to detect scene cuts) is also disabled
This display is only an overlay on the preview window, for editing reference (not output or rendered in the real video), hence the "video card must support this mode" stuff.

[jchunter]

Cgould,
You can split HDV video "by-scene" in the EDIT timeline. The splits are virtual - they do not physically cut up the capture file. IMO, virtual cuts are the right way to do it. Any of the split clips can be edited further.

Edited by author for calarification of meaning.

[cgould]

Thanks- understood it is virtual- but does it use the "timestamp" info to split by scene, or is it "image content", eg does it have to manually scan thru the footage for visual changes?

[jchunter]

I can only speculate about how the software actually detects a scene change but every B frame encodes only the differences between itself and the I-frame that starts the GOP. When that information exceeds some threshold, the software could decide that this must mark a scene-change.

[cgould]

Thanks- as long as the split-by-scene is effectively "instant", however it works, that would be fine- right now MSP8 has to scan the footage, and that takes almost 1-2x realtime (eg, like 30-60mins for 60min footage.)
For DV timestamp video, split by scene is instant.

[Greg Meekings]

I'm a newbie. Am using VS10+ and a Canon HV10. I have been very frustrated that I couldn't see the timecode in the preview window. I did set the preference (F6) and check my display for VMR support and generally pull my hair out. So you can imagine how helpful I found this topic.

Here is what I figured out. The Information area at the bottom of the Capture screen doesn't show a recorded date/time when capturing from the HV10 in HDV mode, and therefore you cannot see a preview. If I record in standard DV mode and then when capturing specifiy AVI (not available for HDD recordings) the recorded time stamp shows in the Information area and the timecode does show in preview when playing the clip.

I can see that as often happens the latest and greatest (HD) loses out in some respects to the tried and tested. I assume from this thread that we need to wait for Ulead to incorporate support for fishing out the timecode from the MPEG 2 stream used to capture from the camera, assuming its in it of course. If it isn't (anyone know for sure?) then this feature won't be available until HD cameras emerge which store in AVI...

Meanwhile I'll work on my 20hours of analogue 8mm video I just converted! No timecoders there....

[jchunter]

AFAIK, the Exif data is recorded in the camcorder, on the tape, but Video Studio can't play it back.

Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exif