Getting rid of "Action will take time to render"

ocular · Post by **ocular** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:00 am

Am of the understanding that I need to get rid of this box This action will take some time to render" in the Burn DVD Phase otherwise the project will have undergone an unnecessary render.

Read JCHunters guide and understand that I need to have same properties for the burn and for the media clip. Have painstakingly matched these up and made sure there is no clip in the timeline but this box "This action will take some time to render" still comes up when I hit "Burn". Am I missing something obvious?

"Do not convert compliant MPEG files" is ticked and have no used add project files. Began by opening new project, create disc etc. At this stage I am just going to video ts files - until I can get this right.

Have transcribed the properties straight from the Ulead VS windows.

Burn Properties
MPEG files
24 bits , 720x576, 25 fps
Lower field first
DVD-PAL 16:9
Video data rate: Variable (Max 6000kbps)
Audio data rate 384 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio, 48 KHz, 2/0 (L/R)

Media Clip properties

PAL DVD
MPEG -2 Video, Lower Field First
24bits, 720x576, 16:9
25.000 frames/sec
Variable bit rate ( Max6000 kbps)
Dolby Digital Audio
48000 Hz, 5.1 Channels
Layer None
Bit rate 384 kbps

There is probably something staring me in the face, but I can't see it!

Using WinXP SP2
Ulead VS 10.0.0110.2 plus
Medion Pentium 3.0 Desktop
1.0 GB Ram

Post by **Ken Berry** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:15 am

As I understand it, this message is in fact a mistake in VS10. It appears regardless of the file(s) etc you are burning being absolutely DVD-compatible. I think it is really only meant to indicate that the whole burning process (rather than rendering per se) will take some time.

I am sure someone will quickly correct me if I am wrong. But I simply ignore it!

Post by **lancecarr** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:45 am

From my experience you can get a burn to happen without that message, problem is that when I did, it all happened so fast I'm not sure why!
My guess is that just about anything will trigger it.
Possibly motion menus or fading from the menu to the first clip will do it but as Ken says if your properties are set correctly it is meaningless...and annoying.
In your case it could be going from Dolby stereo to 5:1.

jchunter · Post by **jchunter** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:43 am

Sorry Guys, I had intended to rewrite the Burning DVD section when I saw how different the menu creation was in version 10. As proof of good intentions, I had left a warning there: "Version 10+ note: The DVD menu set up is different from here on. Update TBD. "

The introduction of Motion Menus causes the "Will Take some time to render" message to appear and thus invalidates the message as a warning of impending doom.

I turn off Motion Menus (tricky: you have to turn off every submenu separately) because I find they just waste time and my audiences are not impressed anyway.

ocular · Post by **ocular** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:59 am

I have explored further "This action will take some time to render" seems to have no function in VS10. It can be simply removed by clicking " Do not show this message next time". Otherwise it always comes on.

My testing shows that that this message does not come back even if there is substantial rendering of file ( such as changing aspect ratio)

However the check box "Do not convert compliant MPEG files" has an important influence on determining what happens to the file to be burnt to DVD.

If it is checked and the media clip added to the Burn window is MPEG compliant then no notice of the Burn properties is taken and the resultant video ts files will have the properties of the mpeg compliant media clip. If the media clip is not compliant then rendering takes place and the burn properties determines the properties of the video ts folder.

If the "Do not convert compliant MPEG" box is not ticked then the media clip will be converted to the burn properties.

I couldn't see any influence of embedding motion into the menus to all this.

In the Burn DVD Phase in VS 10 there doesn't seem to be any need to match media clip prpoerties and burn properties if the "Do not convert compliant MPEG files " is checked ( default).

Can someone confirm this and perhaps then the guidelines for VS 10 Burn DVD Phase can be updated?

jchunter · Post by **jchunter** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:56 pm

ocular wrote:However the check box "Do not convert compliant MPEG files" has an important influence on determining what happens to the file to be burnt to DVD.

If it is checked and the media clip added to the Burn window is MPEG compliant then no notice of the Burn properties is taken and the resultant video ts files will have the properties of the mpeg compliant media clip. If the media clip is not compliant then rendering takes place and the burn properties determines the properties of the video ts folder.

If the "Do not convert compliant MPEG" box is not ticked then the media clip will be converted to the burn properties.

I couldn't see any influence of embedding motion into the menus to all this.

In the Burn DVD Phase in VS 10 there doesn't seem to be any need to match media clip prpoerties and burn properties if the "Do not convert compliant MPEG files " is checked ( default).

First, I want to thank you for making the effort to actually test VS under different conditions because far too may users voice opinions and speculate without testing. Please continue testing and reporting on this forum.

You are correct that there is semi-intricate logic that operates (most of the time) within the Burn module, regarding propery management. I just rechecked several combinations of video files and can confirm your results for a limited set of test possibilities. However, the test for DVD compliance involves a lot of variables and there are many different possible video file formats that could be input and what happens if there is a corrupt video frame? I have neither the time nor resources to do exhaustive testing - and evidently, neither has Ulead

because, this particular area of Video Studio has caused grief and frustration to a huge number of users over the four years that I have been using it.

At the very least, VS should put up a dialog box that announces the properties that it intends to use when the user presses the "BURN" button and give him the option of canceling.

So, I can not encourage Video Studio users to disregard property management, instead relying on the software to "do the right thing" in every case.

The advise in the Recommended Procedure for users to manage properties at every stage of the editing process stands.

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:11 pm

Hi

When you hit the burn button in VS 10 the Render warning always shows, unless you have disabled it.

The blue progress bars indicate what is happening.

If Convert Titles is shown first. Then VS is rendering the main video file or project. As we know this is not what we want to do.

If Convert Menu is shown first then all is well regarding the video files properties.

Watch out for the Convert Title render

Trevor

ocular · Post by **ocular** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:32 pm

trevor andrew wrote:
Watch out for the Convert Title render

Trevor

Thanks Trevor. Thats the info that users need to know as the Flag "this action take some time to render" flag is non functional in VS 10.

Is this documented in a user guide anywhere or is this a pearl from an experienced user?

If "Convert Title" shows then VS10 has assessed the media clip MPEG to be non DVD compliant and begins rendering to the Burn Properties. The cancel button should be hit and the media clip properties examined to determine why it is not DVD compliant.

In the ideal workflow as the mpeg file to be burnt will be DVD compliant (hopefully) what is set in the Burn properties - (the cogwheel bottom left) is not relevant.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:44 pm

Ocular -- just to be more precise in your last paragraph: What is set as the Burn Properties is irrelevant if the mpeg file to be burnt is DVD compliant *AND* 'Do not convert compliant mpeg files' is also checked in that same Options icon. That box is checked by default, but as John Hunter suggests, it is always wise to check everything to do with properties before you actually begin burning.

For instance, while I always ensure that box is checked, I am somewhat anal, and I also make sure the Burn Properties in the pane above the box match the properties of the file I am burning. In theory, this is strictly not necessary. But it takes only a minute, makes me feel better, and removes one more possible thing from the list of things which might go wrong!!

ocular · Post by **ocular** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 11:43 pm

That's true Ken, the assumption is that you have the mpeg file DVD compliant and you don't want any rendering to occur at this stage AND "Do not convert DVD compiant files" is checked (default).

Then I don't see that there should ever be the need to review or change the burn properties in a newbie workflow structure and certainly just adds confusion rather than clarity to understanding of the Burn DVD process in VS10

Post by **Ken Berry** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:02 am

As I said, there is probably no need to check the Burn properties in those circumstances ... unless you are a bit obsessive like me!!

jchunter · Post by **jchunter** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 3:10 am

Ken,
I also set every property value manually, every time. Its good drill and I always catch nonsense property defaults settings (24.97 fps indeed!). VS operates very reliably when all the properties are set up properly.

Occular,
Video editing is still at the bleeding edge stage - or like crossing the great Okefenokee swamp. Its best to follow established, well travelled paths to have the best chance of making it to the other side. There is nothing wrong with striking out on your own but beware of bugs in untested code. If you find another path that gets you to the other side reliably, be sure to post it on this forum.

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:11 am

Hi

Just make sure your project properties match the video files properties before doing Share-Create Disc.

Trevor

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:24 pm

Ken Berry wrote:As I said, there is probably no need to check the Burn properties in those circumstances ... unless you are a bit obsessive like me!! :lol: :shock:

Ken I do exactly what you do, and on top use always the same settings (LFF, PAL 720*576, VBR 7000, audio MPG stereo 192). Both in editing project properties, MPG rendering, and authoring stage. No motion menu, no transitions etc, Don't convert DVD compliant etc.

Sometimes I do get the warning, although it proceeds immediately with menu, then multiplexing, sometimes I don't get the message.
No sub-menus, one single page. There is no apparent logic.
I would understand a buggy "always warning" but this looks random.

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:09 pm

I agree with Daniel. I have followed the Recommended Procedure from day one. I set all of my properties manually. I still get that message (on occasion).