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how to redduce size of project to fit disc

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I have followed the two tutorials - jchunter and sjj1805 - very closely and have got to the share/create disc stage. Now I have two questions....

1. The original video file project properties shows DVD Type 1, which I know I selected for reasons given in the tutorials. I know my burn project properties need to match but i am only given the options in the compression page of MPEG2 or PAL DVD. Which should I use or has something gone wrong here?

2. The size of my project is too big for a 4.7GB disc so I wanted to reduce the quality to fit the disc (When I tried a trial of Nero I was able to select a feature called Burn to Fit). How do I do this in VS10+? I have tried moving the slider on the compression page settings and I have tried using an appropriate default stting from the drop down menu for Change MPEG Settings ( i.e SP which shows that it should allow 180 minutes on a 4.7 GB DVD). Neither of these changes had any effect on the green and red bar showing the size of the project to burn. What should I do? My project actually shows as 4.66GB against an allowable 4.38 GB. I don't want to edit out more footage.
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Click to burn your movie file to disc. If you see at the bottom of the dialog box that the movie is too big to fit onto a DVD, click Fit & Burn.
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Post by Trevor Andrew »

Hi Ann

After editing your project you have to Create Video File

Share---Create Video File.

Selecting Pal-Dvd or Ntsc-Dvd will render the project to a Dvd compatible file suitable for burning a Dvd.

The standard template assumes a video up to 60 minutes long using 8000kbps.
This will produce a file less than 4.3 Gb and will fit to a standard disc.

If your project is longer than 60 minutes then the bit rate has to be reduced below 8000 to compensate for the extra length.

As a guide
8000 for up to 60 minutes (top quality Dvd)
6000 for up to 90 minutes (Good quality Dvd)
4000 for up to 120 minutes (Good quality VHS)

Either use Tools-Make Movie Manager to create your own template or use the Custom option.
When selecting the ¡¥Compression ¡¥ use the Pal-Dvd or Ntsc¡VDvd option.
Depending where you are in the world.

Have a read at my quick guides from the link below.

Hope this Helps

Trevor
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Post by ann hackett »

Thanks Guy - I did that and it worked - then took 1.55 to render and burn 1.20 mins of film.
Thanks - Trevor - from a quick look at your site I think I understand why the rendering takes so long. If I'm right - I should have done some sums before even capturing from camcorder - I will study your guides some more over next few days.

The DVD that I produced is very much poorer quality than the original footage (when played direct from camcorder to TV). Am I right to think that this is because I am increasing the compression too much at the burn stage? As far as I can understand, my only solution would be to either edit more footage out or to use double sided DVD? Is this right or do you think I have something else wrong in the settings? I have followed the tutorials carefully si I think settings should be OK. When I say that I am getting poor quality that did not exist on the original - the film is very shaky and faces are a little blurred - neither problem was visible from the original DV tape so I am assuming the filming itself was at least adequate for my purpose. Grateful for your comments.
Thanks again
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Your finished dvd should not be "very much poorer quality than the original footage". Sounds like your properties are off somewhere. Please list your clip, project, and burn properties so we can take a look.
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Try rendering the project to a file at lower bit rate settings rather than using the fit to burn option and see if the resulting file is better.
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Post by Ken Berry »

Ann -- before going much futher with this otherwise quite helpful exchange, I think I should correct an obvious and very fundamental misunderstanding on your part.

First, you are obviously capturing from a mini-DV digital video camera -- correct? Hopefully, you are capturing in DV format using your Firewire connection from the camera to a Firewire card on your computer. But can you confirm this. (Firewire will guarantee the highest quality capture. If however you are using USB, your captured video will be much lower quality.)

This is where your project property comes from, but your error was to call it DVD Type 1. In reality, it is DV Type 1. And this is a fundamental error because in effect DV format and DVD format are chalk and cheese (though as Black Lab later suggests, there is no reason why high quality DVD files should not be of similar quality to the original DV video).

DV is a slighly compressed version of uncompressed AVI format, but uses an algorithm which does not cause any loss in quality through the compression which is applied. DV creates large files: around 13 GB for one of your 1 hour mini DV cassettes that go in the camera.

DVD format is a specific version of mpeg-2, which is a much more compressed format than DV and unfortunately, the algorithm it uses means that it is included in the 'lossy' category i.e. it loses some quality each time it is re-encoded. This gives rise to considerable debate as to whether, or how far, it can or should be edited. Basically, though, converting your original 13GB DV to DVD-compatible mpeg-2, using high quality settings with a bitrate of 8000 kbps, should provide you with a file which should fit on a single-layer 4.3 GB DVD and be of the same quality as your original DV.

What is more, this conversion has to be done before you can produce a video DVD. DV is not a DVD-compatible format, so you always have to convert it to DVD-compatible mpeg-2 before it can be burned to disc.

You should still continue to capture in DV format, and do your edits in that format. This will maintain the original high quality of the footage in your camera.

Once you finish your editing, you look at your project and in particular its length. If it is around an hour, or even a little over, then you say to yourself: "OK. I can fit this onto a single layer DVD if I convert it to an mpeg-2 which uses 8000 kbps bitrate. And if I use Dolby AC-3 (or mpeg layer 2) audio, this will allow me to squeeze a little more video on the disc than if I used standard, though large, LPCM audio." Or else, you realise that you have around 90 minutes of video you need to eventually squeeze onto your 4.3 GB DVD. So you say to yourself: "To do this, I need to produce an mpeg-2 which uses a lower bitrate of around 6000 kbps. I might even be able to squeeze a bit more video on if I use AC-2 or mpeg layer 2 audio." If your project is 2 hours or over, then as Trevor has outlined, your would need to use a bitrate of around 4000 kbps, though the quality, while decent, will certainly be no better than decent VHS quality.

The other important thing here is that before even thinking of going into the burning module (Share > Create Disc > DVD), you should be doing the thinking I have outlined above i.e. working out what size mpeg-2 you will need, with what bitrate and other settings, if it is eventually to fit into a 4.3 GB DVD. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, do the conversion straight after you have finished editing: Share > Create Video File > DVD, and making sure the properties of this DVD file have the properties you have worked out will fit on the DVD. Rendering this new DVD-compatible mpeg-2 file will take the sort of time you have already experienced.

(I suspect you may be going straight from your DV project in the timeline to the burning module. This may work, but it is a big ask for any computer, which has to do the DV > DVD conversion on the fly, plus all the other things associated with the burning process itself. Many people find their computer is not up to the job, and this could be one reason why your final product is not of good quality.)

When you have the new mpeg-2 file, hopefully it will be under 4.3 GB in size. If not, you might have to reduce the bitrate a little, and go back and produce another file. When you have a file which your think will fit, then close your project, and then select Share > Create Disc > DVD, insert the new file, create your menu and burn.

If for some reason, the file is still a bit too large, then you could try using 'fit to burn'. From the reports of others, it seems that this function will only work well in VS if the file is only a little bigger than 4.3 GB. If it is a much larger file, apparently fit to burn in VS will simply not work.

An alternative would be to use your larger file in the VS burning module and instead of actually burning a disc, produce a DVD folder (Video_TS) instead. This is a folder which contains the exact structure of a final DVD. Since you already have Nero, you can then use Nero Recode, point it at this folder, and it will produce a new folder which has exactly the right size to fit on your DVD. Quality is usually excellent. Another program which will do this is DVD Shrink whose quality is also excellent.

But the basic message is to try to get the size right in the original conversion from DV to DVD formats.

Here endeth the lesson!! :lol: :shock:
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