Best quality from MiniDV

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Post by 2Dogs »

I think it's great that there are early adopters out there, who will increase the sum of our knowledge with their pioneering experiences.

It seems that the most practical way of making an HD DVD at the present time is to use high compression formats like DivX and burn to a conventional DVD. This can then be played in certain DivX capable DVD players.

Whilst John has an excellent tutorial on the subject, I'm sure that he would admit that the process is more complex, with potentially many more pitfalls than the regular MiniDV to DVD workflow. Although he describes editing HD as "smooth" on his old P4, he would also no doubt admit that hardware issues become more critical with HD editing. This forum illustrates how many problems arise with just the "simple" MiniDV workflow!

Blue Ray and HD DVD players are still way too expensive, and one or other format will surely win out and become the standard, in the same way that VHS overcame the (some say technically superior) Betacam.

Consider the situation if you wish to play a commercial, copy protected HD DVD on your pc. You'll need an HDCP enabled video card and an HDCP enabled monitor. If you want to play the disk to a TV, the TV will have to be HDCP enabled too. In the recent Black Friday sales, people rushed to buy "bargain" non-HDCP compliant 720p TV's, some probably believing that they were getting "real" HD.

In my case, I know that there's more room for improvement in my videography skills than there is in the resolution of my final output.

I for one will stick with Super8 for the time being. :lol:
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Post by neonbob »

2Dogs wrote:
It seems that the most practical way of making an HD DVD at the present time is to use high compression formats like DivX and burn to a conventional DVD. This can then be played in certain DivX capable DVD players.
This isn't really true (anymore anyway). There is a program out there that will allow you to capture, edit, author, and burn REAL HD to a standard dvd with a standard burner. The disks after the burn are for all intents and purposes are REAL hd-dvd's So real in fact that if you put them back into your burner and try to read them, your machine will claim the the disk is RAW, and there will be no files seen (your computer can not read H-dvd's)
At a bit rate of 19000 (standard HD transmission rate) you can get about an hour on a DL disk. Of course, you do need the tosh player for playback.

Unfortunately I can not tell you the name of this program, because everytime I do, my post gets moderated out!
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neonbob wrote:Unfortunately I can not tell you the name of this program, because everytime I do, my post gets moderated out!
The very early releases of Ulead's very own DVD MovieFactory 5.0 allowed this -- a few months ago I burned HD-DVD's on regular DVD5 discs and played them back in the Toshiba HD DVD Player (I took the "hd-dvd"s to a Bestbuy store and used their display unit). Quality was amazing :!: :)

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2Dogs wrote:... he would admit that the process is more complex, with potentially many more pitfalls than the regular MiniDV to DVD workflow. Although he describes editing HD as "smooth" on his old P4, he would also no doubt admit that hardware issues become more critical with HD editing.
Actually, the HDV editing process is not much different from SD editing - just plug in appropriate property values and manage them throughout the whole workflow. VS10+ transcoding to various HD formats uses the same workflow as SD - SHARE / Create Video File.

What Complicates High Definition is Playback:
HD Playback is still an incomplete thought because Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are priced out of sight (burners: $700 and blank disks ~ $20 each). Fortunately, the DVD "Link" players are bridging this gap and let us play high definition files from either external hard drives or standard DVDs.

Personally, I find external hard drives to be way superior to any DVD platter because you can get a 300GB drive for what half a dozen blank Blu-Ray disks cost and they are FAST and compact.

If only someone would put a hard drive on the market with a component video interface and some video decoders, we would be able to share our high def files on most TV sets. (and composite interface, for SD video) This could break our addiction to DVD media.
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Post by neonbob »

GeorgeW wrote:
neonbob wrote:Unfortunately I can not tell you the name of this program, because everytime I do, my post gets moderated out!
The very early releases of Ulead's very own DVD MovieFactory 5.0 allowed this -- a few months ago I burned HD-DVD's on regular DVD5 discs and played them back in the Toshiba HD DVD Player (I took the "hd-dvd"s to a Bestbuy store and used their display unit). Quality was amazing :!: :)

Regards,
George
I believe you need the assistance of another program besides MF5 do you not?
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neonbob wrote:
GeorgeW wrote:
neonbob wrote:Unfortunately I can not tell you the name of this program, because everytime I do, my post gets moderated out!
The very early releases of Ulead's very own DVD MovieFactory 5.0 allowed this -- a few months ago I burned HD-DVD's on regular DVD5 discs and played them back in the Toshiba HD DVD Player (I took the "hd-dvd"s to a Bestbuy store and used their display unit). Quality was amazing :!: :)

Regards,
George
I believe you need the assistance of another program besides MF5 do you not?
IIRC, I used MF5 to output the HD-DVD as an IMAGE file (*.ISO), then just burned the image using some freeware burning program...

Regards,
George
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Post by neonbob »

GeorgeW wrote:
neonbob wrote:
GeorgeW wrote: The very early releases of Ulead's very own DVD MovieFactory 5.0 allowed this -- a few months ago I burned HD-DVD's on regular DVD5 discs and played them back in the Toshiba HD DVD Player (I took the "hd-dvd"s to a Bestbuy store and used their display unit). Quality was amazing :!: :)

Regards,
George
I believe you need the assistance of another program besides MF5 do you not?
IIRC, I used MF5 to output the HD-DVD as an IMAGE file (*.ISO), then just burned the image using some freeware burning program...

Regards,
George
Yeah... the program I'm talking about is a one-stop-shop... it does it all... burns right off the timeline. I guess that's why it keeps getting moderated! :)
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For your information, MF 5 Plus can burn ISO images, no need to use NERO.

What do you mean by "my posts get moderated out"? I have not seen a post of yours that has been edited or deleted?
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Heinz -- I think that may be his point: you haven't seen them because they have been moderated out! Or maybe that's your point??? :lol: :lol: Anyway, I recall neonbob as being a S?ny V..s Video fan...
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Post by neonbob »

heinz-oz wrote:For your information, MF 5 Plus can burn ISO images, no need to use NERO.

What do you mean by "my posts get moderated out"? I have not seen a post of yours that has been edited or deleted?
You're kind of an untrusting old guy aren't ya' there heinz

http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... highlight=

Not sure what your intent is on this question heinz... but I don't lie.

And yes... mf5 can burn an iso... but it can't burn HD-dvd directly from a timeline
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Well, now I have seen some 8) and had some feed back on the edited content as well 8) and you are surprised that these posts were edited? Why don't you use different means to communicate your message to interested parties but insist on using a platform provided by Ulead? I would have edited your posts also :wink:

I had no hidden agenda, just didn't know what had happened :D

I'm glad you found a means to do what you want to do.
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Post by neonbob »

heinz-oz wrote:Well, now I have seen some 8) and had some feed back on the edited content as well 8) and you are surprised that these posts were edited? Why don't you use different means to communicate your message to interested parties but insist on using a platform provided by Ulead? I would have edited your posts also :wink:
Gimme a break... there are references ALL over the place to different programs... they don't get moderated... open your eyes!

Here's a private maessage from some one that see things a little different from you (surprise, surprise):

Hi,
Why are they doing that to your posts nand editing them out?
I'm a mod of one of the ulead products (another name).
I never edit anyone's posts without letting them know and posting my mods name. So I explain to the other readers who I am and why I edited the post. Usually only for foul language.
I disagree with them doing this.

Anyway, I enjoy reading your posts & suggestions.
Great links to the mpeg and dv editing stuff.
Discussions of other products is a good thing.

(Name withheld)
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You have had about all the break I'm prepared to give. I got nothing more to say.
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Post by neonbob »

heinz-oz wrote:You have had about all the break I'm prepared to give. I got nothing more to say.
I'm not surprised at this response in the least.... I expected as much from you.
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Post by neonbob »

In fact... just to be fair about all of this... On the PINNA*** board my screen name is blackbill

http://webboard.pinnaclesys.com/read_me ... =113&lng=1

Please take note that I am talking about my use of MSP8 on a PINNA*** board. They have no problems with this at all.
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