MF-5 estremely slow encoding

Burly50 · Post by **Burly50** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:01 am

I encoded a TV Rip two hour program in Moviefactory 5 using a 7.1 Gb DVD compliant mpeg2 file. The exact same file encoded to VOB files in Moviefactory 4 in 37 minutes. In Moviefactory 5 it took 2 hours 27 minutes. I made sure the box was checked "Do not convert compliant mpeg files". All of the project settings are program default.

The mpeg file was created with WinDVR 3. I also use Beyond TV 4.5, but it seems not to create dvd compliant files usable in MovieFactory.

I have not installed Service Pack 1 as of yet for MF-5, but will in a short amount of time.

Is there a work around for this problem, or is it just the nature of the beast? Is there a glitch in MF-5 that is the problem?

Any and all help in this matter is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance

Burly

snoops · Post by **snoops** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:27 pm

I can't offer a comparison between MF4 and 5, but you asked for any and all help:

All of the project settings are program default.

This doesn't say anything about the default settings between versions being anywhere near each other, does it? Menus, audio conversion... MF4 was busy for a long time if just muxing to vob (not to mention your MF5 time).

The exact same file

Good, you're reading from the same exact file in the same location.

Burly50 · Post by **Burly50** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:46 pm

It is evident that I need to clarify a bit more.

Encoding of the 7.1 Gb file was done on seperate days, with seperate versions of MovieFactory. Instead of purchasing the full version of MF-5, I purchased the upgrade from 4 to 5. Version 4 was used to encode prior to installing upgrade to version 5.

I also need to revise my asking for help, and remove the word "all" from my plea. It seems to invite attempts at covert flaming.

Thank you,

Burly

snoops · Post by **snoops** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:15 pm

Sorry you feel that way. You really think my statement about 37 minutes being too long for MF4 to simply create the VOBs from "DVD compliant mpeg2" was a covert flame...

I was trying to get you to check (and post) all the actual settings etc. because I assumed the program is busy doing other things with your project. And there is no mention of the audio, or chapter menus, etc.

I'm outta here

Post by **Ron P.** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:18 am

Burly50 wrote:It is evident that I need to clarify a bit more.

Encoding of the 7.1 Gb file was done on seperate days, with seperate versions of MovieFactory. Instead of purchasing the full version of MF-5, I purchased the upgrade from 4 to 5. Version 4 was used to encode prior to installing upgrade to version 5.

I also need to revise my asking for help, and remove the word "all" from my plea. It seems to invite attempts at covert flaming.

Thank you,

Burly

I was going to offer something but I don't want to be covertly flaming.. I think by that response you have possibly caused others to question posting responses. Snoops was merely trying to assist even then though Snoops pointed out that he could not offer a comparison between the two programs. Good Luck!!!

maddrummer3301 · Post by **maddrummer3301** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:43 am

Burly50 · Post by **Burly50** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:03 am

I apologize for taking a comment wrong. I guess I am oversensitive since asking for help on another site and was made to feel totally stupid by the replies. (I don't remember the site address, but it was one of those DVDhelp.com, or some such.)

Anyway, in MF5, VCD Player compliant, Anti-flicker filter, alwyas show relink, 30 MB max and do not convert compliant MPEG file boxes are checked.

I can see nothing in the preferences that are different. All that same boxes are checked.

Again, my apologizies.

Burly

P.S. I promise not to assume anything again i.e. bite someones head off for a percieved slap.

thank you

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maddrummer3301 · Post by **maddrummer3301** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:42 am

Post by **Ron P.** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:05 am

@Burly50,

One thing that you will find here, that there is a generally consensus by all of us that have been around for a while, there is no such thing as a stupid question. We all try to help however we can, even though it may just be a small tidbit of information, that could trigger ideas with others.

I agree with MD's suggestions on differences with both MF programs..

Burly50 · Post by **Burly50** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:40 am

Thank you videoman. Even though I have used MF3,4 & 5 for a couple of years, I am not an expert with it.

Info on Video files to convert. I get the same info from both MF4 and 5:

File Format: NTSC DVD
File size: 7,047,334 KB
Video type: MPEG-2 Video
Total frames 225,497
Attributes: 24 bits 720 x 480 4:3
Frame Rate: VAriable bit rate (Max 9216 kbps)
Audio type: Dolby Digital Audio
Attributes: 48000Hz
Layer: none
Bit rate: 384 kbps

I do/did use VideoReDo Plus 2.5.3 to trim unwanted video from the beginning and the end of the file because I over recorded the file. Using the same file, it still took 5 times longer to convert in MF5 than MF4.

Burly

maddrummer3301 · Post by **maddrummer3301** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:21 pm

snoops · Post by **snoops** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:35 pm

No hard feelings. It is normal to just provide a short answer when needed details are missing, especially after writing 200 replies.
Keep in mind that many posts are made right after registering, without looking at the "Read before posting" and without searching, sometimes by people that don't know what NTSC and PAL are.
I do realize a "snappy" answer can be understood as

and this is not the first time. Humor and sarcasm is even trickier because it is sometimes seen as an attack, even when a smiley is there.
But we don't work here, we just waste our time here.

You still need to check/post your project settings, because so far you've provided preferences but not the project settings and details. maddrummer is assuming you've chosen NTSC, 4:3, DVD 8.5GB and so it looks like an audio issue or bug.

It is known that MF5 does not convert mpeg audio in a program stream to dolby even if the option to "treat mpeg audio as non-compliant" is checked (only available in NTSC projects), when "do not convert compliant..." is used. Maybe your settings are triggering audio conversions.

Burly50 · Post by **Burly50** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:16 pm

In media properties after MF 4 & 5 have converted to VOB files, both programs show the same properties as for the clip prior to encoding (see post above for those properties). Only difference is that the file size in both is shown to be just over 37 MB larger. I installed SP-1 for MF-5 and noticed a significant increase in speed up to a point, then it dragged.

I deleted the original file I was working with earlier, and had to re-record the program. Re-encode in both programs, then import the VOB files to get the encoded properties. This time, MF-4 encoded in 23 minutes, MF-5 took just under 3 hours.

WinDVR will record in audio in LCPM, MPEG-1 layer II and Dolby Digital (AC3). Could the problem be that I do not have the proper AC3 codec installed for MF-5?

I have also noticed the neither program will allow me to burn to disc. I MUST create VOB files, then use CopyToDVD 3.5 to burn the finished product (I could probably use Nero, but I find CopyToDVD much faster and easier).

Burly50 · Post by **Burly50** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:19 pm

Correct, snoopes, I am encoding in NTSC, 4:3, 8.5 GB, title menu with no chapter menu. I use the same settings in both 4 & 5.

maddrummer3301 · Post by **maddrummer3301** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:17 pm