I want to output HDV edited video to Quicktime format .mov files for internet sharing. When I "Share" video to create video file, the Quicktime options are overwhelming. Any suggestions on what "file save" options to use to create high quality .mov files, while keeping file size relatively small. Original file is MPEG2 HD 1440 x 1080i.
Thanks, Chuck
Output of HDV to Quicktime .mov files w/ VS10
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jchunter
Chuck,
High definition video files need a lot of file space (13GB/hr or 217MB/min.) and so are not well suited for the internet. Even high speed connections are going to have problems. It all depends on your application and audience.
(1) If you want to preserve high definition then Divx HD is a good bet (AVI container, not MOV), which can reduce your file size and transfer time by a factor of 3 - 5 over Mpeg2 HDV. However, this is still around 70MB per minute of video.
(2) If you downrez to standard definition (720x480), you can use the Mpeg4 Visual compression Quality = 50% to transfer 12MB/minute. Obvious improvement and still excellent picture quality.
(3) If you downrez to 360x480 Mpeg4 Visual, 30fps, you get 5.3MB/minute. Poorer quality.
(4) You can cut the frame rate to 15fps and make the file smaller yet but then the video begins to get jumpy.
All in all, you have to decide what your objectives are. If you are expecting people with dialup connections to see your video, then (4) may be your only choice - etc.
High definition video files need a lot of file space (13GB/hr or 217MB/min.) and so are not well suited for the internet. Even high speed connections are going to have problems. It all depends on your application and audience.
(1) If you want to preserve high definition then Divx HD is a good bet (AVI container, not MOV), which can reduce your file size and transfer time by a factor of 3 - 5 over Mpeg2 HDV. However, this is still around 70MB per minute of video.
(2) If you downrez to standard definition (720x480), you can use the Mpeg4 Visual compression Quality = 50% to transfer 12MB/minute. Obvious improvement and still excellent picture quality.
(3) If you downrez to 360x480 Mpeg4 Visual, 30fps, you get 5.3MB/minute. Poorer quality.
(4) You can cut the frame rate to 15fps and make the file smaller yet but then the video begins to get jumpy.
All in all, you have to decide what your objectives are. If you are expecting people with dialup connections to see your video, then (4) may be your only choice - etc.
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csavall
jchunter,
Thanks for the info. It appears that I actually need to get Quicktime Pro 7 to get the H.264 codec, as it appears to be the best option for HDV as .mov file. I only see H.263 in VS10. I just downloaded a Quicktime video in H.264, and it is fairly impressive at about 10MB / min.
http://www.uwimaging.com/gallery/video/ ... do_05.html
Thanks for the info. It appears that I actually need to get Quicktime Pro 7 to get the H.264 codec, as it appears to be the best option for HDV as .mov file. I only see H.263 in VS10. I just downloaded a Quicktime video in H.264, and it is fairly impressive at about 10MB / min.
http://www.uwimaging.com/gallery/video/ ... do_05.html
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John -- I agree it is a great movie too. And all squeezed into just 100 MB!
FYI, as far as I can tell from QuickTime Pro's reading of its properties, it is 640 x 360 using the H.264 decoder; AAC Stero 48.000KHz; NTSC 29.97 fps; and data rate of 177.42 KB.
Not that that means all that much to me as yet since I do not have one of these wondrous HD cameras as yet. But I am becoming more and more sorely tempted!
FYI, as far as I can tell from QuickTime Pro's reading of its properties, it is 640 x 360 using the H.264 decoder; AAC Stero 48.000KHz; NTSC 29.97 fps; and data rate of 177.42 KB.
Not that that means all that much to me as yet since I do not have one of these wondrous HD cameras as yet. But I am becoming more and more sorely tempted!
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jchunter
Ken, Chuck,
I suspected that the video had been downrezzed (640x360) because my internet connection was able to keep up fairly well. But the PQ was spectacular for that resolution.
I have not bought the QT Pro Upgrade codec yet because I am not at all sure that it can handle high def (e.g., 1920x1080) video playback or be used for transcoding HDV to H.264 from Video Studio. I have version 7 of the codec and am not able to select it in the Create Video custom setup - it is not listed as a compression codec, even among all the other QT choices.
Could you check to see if your purchased QT Pro codec is listed (or possibly listed as H.264) as a compression choice? Is 1920x1080 a selectable frame size? If so, I might lay out some hard cash, here.
I suspected that the video had been downrezzed (640x360) because my internet connection was able to keep up fairly well. But the PQ was spectacular for that resolution.
I have not bought the QT Pro Upgrade codec yet because I am not at all sure that it can handle high def (e.g., 1920x1080) video playback or be used for transcoding HDV to H.264 from Video Studio. I have version 7 of the codec and am not able to select it in the Create Video custom setup - it is not listed as a compression codec, even among all the other QT choices.
Could you check to see if your purchased QT Pro codec is listed (or possibly listed as H.264) as a compression choice? Is 1920x1080 a selectable frame size? If so, I might lay out some hard cash, here.
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Maddrummer -- thanks for the tips.
John -- sadly, I cannot get either QT Pro or H.264 to show as compression possibilities in any format. And I am not sure about 1920 x 1080 as a frame size either. Mind you, the only bit of HD video I have on my system to play around with is some 1440 x 1080 13000 kbps stuff I captured from HDTV... And QT refuses to play it... though it happily plays in both VS10+ and WMP.
John -- sadly, I cannot get either QT Pro or H.264 to show as compression possibilities in any format. And I am not sure about 1920 x 1080 as a frame size either. Mind you, the only bit of HD video I have on my system to play around with is some 1440 x 1080 13000 kbps stuff I captured from HDTV... And QT refuses to play it... though it happily plays in both VS10+ and WMP.
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MD,
I agree about the rendering speed problem of these Mpeg4 family of codecs.
However, the situation is getting better. When I first started transcoding Mpeg2 HDV to Divx HD, it took an agonizing 20X real time. But last week I downloaded version 6.4, the same render took only 8X for the same video bitrate and other settings! I will have to repeat this to make sure I didn't read the clock wrong.
I agree about the rendering speed problem of these Mpeg4 family of codecs.
However, the situation is getting better. When I first started transcoding Mpeg2 HDV to Divx HD, it took an agonizing 20X real time. But last week I downloaded version 6.4, the same render took only 8X for the same video bitrate and other settings! I will have to repeat this to make sure I didn't read the clock wrong.
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csavall
Guys, Thanks for the discussion, been away a few days.
I shelled out the money for QT Pro 7, in addition to the MPEG2 plug-in, as I couldn't get it to even play my original MPEG2 HD file without the plug in. I then attempted to export the file in H.264, using just about every setting and size option in QT Pro, and it crashed every time. Even though QT Pro lists Hi-Res sizing options, neither they, nor any other size would produce an MPEG4 file. I am attempting to get a refund from Apple, but doesn't look good, and I have had no luck with their support whatsoever.
I am attempting to find out what methods were used to produce that Indonesia Underwater video, it came from a photo pro in San Diego. I do know that it was captured on the Sony FX1. I took very similar underwater video with the HC3, and for the most part, can't tell the difference between my stuff and the FX1. Unless you are producing for commercial output or TV, the HC3 seems to be all that is needed.
So for now, I am back to the drawing board, and looks like I will have to wait for better software to come along.
PS - Hi-Def video for about $1000 (HDR-HC3) is truly impressive, but I hate the fact that I am limited to only being able to view it on my own equipment, and basically unable to share it with the world. Frustating. However, what I have edited so far with VS10, and exported back to the Sony HDR-HC3 is truly stunning when I show it on my Sony 34" HD tube TV. (I live at 9000' altitude, so no big plasmas for me, yet) Despite the pains, early adoption has made me happy, as I would rather be shooting hi-def now, knowing that down the road, I will eventually be able to share it, besides, I needed a new videocam anyway. Too bad the capture hardware is so far ahead of the viewing media choices.
I shelled out the money for QT Pro 7, in addition to the MPEG2 plug-in, as I couldn't get it to even play my original MPEG2 HD file without the plug in. I then attempted to export the file in H.264, using just about every setting and size option in QT Pro, and it crashed every time. Even though QT Pro lists Hi-Res sizing options, neither they, nor any other size would produce an MPEG4 file. I am attempting to get a refund from Apple, but doesn't look good, and I have had no luck with their support whatsoever.
I am attempting to find out what methods were used to produce that Indonesia Underwater video, it came from a photo pro in San Diego. I do know that it was captured on the Sony FX1. I took very similar underwater video with the HC3, and for the most part, can't tell the difference between my stuff and the FX1. Unless you are producing for commercial output or TV, the HC3 seems to be all that is needed.
So for now, I am back to the drawing board, and looks like I will have to wait for better software to come along.
PS - Hi-Def video for about $1000 (HDR-HC3) is truly impressive, but I hate the fact that I am limited to only being able to view it on my own equipment, and basically unable to share it with the world. Frustating. However, what I have edited so far with VS10, and exported back to the Sony HDR-HC3 is truly stunning when I show it on my Sony 34" HD tube TV. (I live at 9000' altitude, so no big plasmas for me, yet) Despite the pains, early adoption has made me happy, as I would rather be shooting hi-def now, knowing that down the road, I will eventually be able to share it, besides, I needed a new videocam anyway. Too bad the capture hardware is so far ahead of the viewing media choices.
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jchunter
Chuck,
Your original post did not indicate that you were having problems with anything but hi def .mov files on the internet. This channeled our responses to these subject areas.
If you are having general hi def playback problems, please read the HD Tutorial http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=13872, which details several alternative solutions for hi def playback, shared or local. They work very well. In particular, both Divx HD and Xvid work reliably and can shrink file size, while maintaining picture quality.
I am still looking for a H.264 codec that does anything with high def video files.
Your original post did not indicate that you were having problems with anything but hi def .mov files on the internet. This channeled our responses to these subject areas.
If you are having general hi def playback problems, please read the HD Tutorial http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=13872, which details several alternative solutions for hi def playback, shared or local. They work very well. In particular, both Divx HD and Xvid work reliably and can shrink file size, while maintaining picture quality.
I am still looking for a H.264 codec that does anything with high def video files.