VideoStdudio v10+ NOT WORTH OWNING

[heinz-oz]

You are spot on with that one. Try to open a Word2003 document in WordXP or Word97, same thing, it's called progress.

[maddrummer3301]

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[sjj1805]

MESSR shouldn't be causing any problems. I have it installed on my system. Reading all of your posts I am confident you have a legit copy of VS10+. If it had been pirated firstly you wouldn't have been able to register it on the Ulead site. You can also check the disc surface to see if its a CDR or if its a mass produced disc.

To save going through all of the hassle of reformating your hard drive and re-installing windows etc. you can try Creating a video editing profile. Even if it doesn't solve any issues caused by possible conflicts I think you will be surprised at the increased performance in your computer.

[skier-hughes]

From the errors reported and the work done it sounds like a codec conflict, which may well be from one of the apps which you have un-installed. Each app may be trying to load it's codec to open the image causing a crash.

Just because messer works with Steve doesn't mean it will with you, as your two pc's will be way different even if you bought the same model and installed the same software but in different orders.

I have terrible trouble with MP3's and Jpegs in my work with Movie Maker, but fellow MVP's can use them without a single problem, so it's always best to say, this MAY be causing your problem.

Glad it's coming together, and as you've seen, the Ulead users are a pretty gopod bunch.... Now if we can just get the company to be as good we are on to a winner

[jparnold]

Hi Steve,
I had already created a video profile (using the guide found elsewhere in this forum) and tried VS10+ with and without it and did not see any improvement in the stablility of VS10+. Maybe I still have a problem but I have not been able to reproduce the crash with the TBYB version. When I get some more time I will uninstall the TBYB version and install the full version and test again.
If you have MESSER installed without problems maybe it was the uninstallation of the PROSET application (came with the motherboard) as I had also uninstalled it as well (or maybe something else - I would love to know what).
BTW does your system have a motherboard with inbuilt sound or do you use a soundcard? I am probably clutching at straws here but would like to eliminate possibilities.

Please note the following -

Also when I downloaded the TBYB version I remember reading on the web site that you should install REALPLAYER why I don't know but I downloaded and installed it as well. Do you think it may have something to do with this?
Thanks for your input.

[sjj1805]

My audio is built into the motherboard.
Not at my own computer at present but I don't think I currently have
Real Player installed.

[Ron P.]

I'll add to this that
My sound is built into the motherboard,
Do not (and will not) have Real Player installed.

Also I do not have Messer installed...

[2Dogs]

Hi John,

I must say the tone of your posts now does suggest that you're no longer tearing your hair out!

It may well be that Messer was messing things up! If you are tempted to install it to test that theory, do create a restore point first, then recovery should be relatively painless.

It could also turn out that Messer, when installed after VS doesn't cause any problems.

By the sound of it, your full VS is legit. I hope that you can get it to work. Then you will have the benefit of the nice shiny box it came in, the manual and the handy "guide to shooting great video" if they still bundle that with it. Compared with a downloaded version, you also have the advantage of being able to use the install CD's to effect a repair of the system if need be.

Re the non-backwards compatibility - you're right. In fact some posters report that since some filters and effects have changed, older projects can sometimes not properly load into VS10, so they retain the older versions on their pc's. (it also enables them to advise the forum on those older versions too!)

Edit: this response was to John's at the end of page 1! It therefore repeats much of the subsequent posts and adds not a lot!

Re PROSET - it might be an MSI overclocking feature. I've found that parts of VS don't get on with SOFTWARE overclocking.

I, like Vidoman, do not like Real Player. I've purged it from all my pcs. I use "Real Alternative" which has Media Player Classic as a media player. Far less invasive and ad-laden than Real Player, and it's freeware.

[Screwball]

Dear sir,
I have suffered all you have and much, much more. Three days ago I purchased a copy of Pinnacle Studio 9. The first time I rendered without a hitch - then burned without a hitch! No crashing, no problems at all. WHAT A PROGRAMME! I do not have any affiliation at all with Pinnacle, just ecstatic that after countless hours of compiling DVD's, I can AT LAST RENDER AND BURN!!!!!!!!
Hope this helps.
SCREWBALL (Kevin)

[PuzZLeR]

Hello John,

It's not surprising that VS9 doesn't play VS10 project files. This has always been very commonplace among many software platforms for years, and it's true in theoretical models as well in Computer Science.

The term used for the fact that VS9 doesn't play VS10 project files is that VS9 is not "forward compatible" with VS10.

The fact that VS10 plays VS9 files (yes true) means that VS10 is "backward compatible" with VS9, which is obviously more likely in software.

Yes, I'm being a smarta$$ today, but then again, I'm very glad that you're on your way to correcting that situation of yours. I've been there with other programs, so I understand your pain.

And I agree with other folks in this thread. The system restore is a blessing. I use it all the time myself and have survived many disasters this way.

I use it so much that sometimes when I have a bad day I, by habit, look for a system restore point to take me back to morning to restart. Oh, if life can only be like that outside of the digital arena too...

Good luck, we're rooting for you.
G.G.
You had it backwards my friend.

[PuzZLeR]

Oh, and by the way, Kevin(Screwball), speaking of my pains of the past in my last post regarding software that I used - Pinnacle was one of them!

Before VS, I had been with Pinnacle, and the old Dazzle crap for 4 years from 2000 till 2004.

Sync problems! Coasters! Grainy $hit video! Hanging software! Hanging mpeg files! John in this thread here was actually having it easy compared to me!

Horrible! Horrible! Horrible!

Do you know how many satisfactory to cool videos and DVDs I came up with in all that time with Dazzle and Pinnacle?

Hold. Let me count....
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ZERO!

When I talk about my "war days" in this hobby, I talk about my constant struggles with that Pinnacle stuff. I blame my divorce on Pinnacle sometimes! If I could press system restore on life, I would have bought VS four years earlier!

Oh, did that bonfire smell real good as that Pinnacle stuff was melting...

Then again, maybe Pinnacle finally got their act together, so good for you Kevin, and I guess good for Pinnacle. I'm still not going back though.

[maddrummer3301]

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[jparnold]

In answer/reply to a couple of questions plus something new.

PROSET was a management tool for various features of the motherboard. I sometimes just displayed it and so thought that it was a 'waste of space' (a term I also use for my wife's cat but that's another story!) on my system so it had to go!

I also uninstalled an application named AC97 Audio Configuration which allowed changes to the sound via an equalizer as well as microphone effects. As it runs in the background I assumed it was affecting the sound card so it went too. Thsi was automatically installed when I installed the audio driver for the onboard (motheboard) sound and I considered that it was controlling the sound output which may be causing problems with VS10+. Please note that the audio driver on the installation CD is described as Realtek ALC101A /201A/202/650 AC97 Codec Driver (3.30). I have downloaded the latest audio driver from Gigabyte but when I attempted to replace the driver Windows advised that it was not any different from the one I have installed - there goes another theory.

Does anyone have either of these two applications installed with VS10 stable?

There are a lot of funny people who have entered this post - very entertaining.

[2Dogs]

In answer/reply to a couple of questions plus something new.

PROSET was a management tool for various features of the motherboard. I sometimes just displayed it and so thought that it was a 'waste of space' (a term I also use for my wife's cat but that's another story!) on my system so it had to go!

Cat's aside, you might reconsider the virtues of PROSET. If it is in fact an MSI overclocking utility, it may enable you to squeeze a bit more performance out of your system. Since my own pc is an HP, it has an o.e.m motherboard that doesn't allow any overclocking - but I experimented with software overclocking. I could run my P4 2.8 at just over 3.2Ghz, and video encoding was proportionately faster. Video capture did not work, however. Overclocking from bios, which your MSI might allow, would be "invisible" to VS.

I also uninstalled an application named AC97 Audio Configuration which allowed changes to the sound via an equalizer as well as microphone effects. As it runs in the background I assumed it was affecting the sound card so it went too. Thsi was automatically installed when I installed the audio driver for the onboard (motheboard) sound and I considered that it was controlling the sound output which may be causing problems with VS10+. Please note that the audio driver on the installation CD is described as Realtek ALC101A /201A/202/650 AC97 Codec Driver (3.30). I have downloaded the latest audio driver from Gigabyte but when I attempted to replace the driver Windows advised that it was not any different from the one I have installed - there goes another theory.

Does anyone have either of these two applications installed with VS10 stable?

Your motherboard has onboard Realtek AC97 audio. The configuration utility is unlikely to interfere with VS, but I prefer not to have non-essential services running and taking up resources. You can still access all the audio settings through control panel, it's just not quite as convenient as having the icon in your system tray.

There are a lot of funny people who have entered this post - very entertaining.

I suspect some might have posted whilst in no fit state to drive!

[jparnold]

Do I have a crap copy?


I advised (in an earlier post) that I uninstalled my paid for version of VS10+ and installed the TRIAL version (TBYB) and could not reproduce the problem (crash) which was very easy to reproduce with the paid for version.

I have now uninstalled the TBYB version and re-installed my full (paid for) version to determine if uninstalling some other application may have been causing the problem. NO! I was easily able to make it crash again using my test.

I have obtained another full copy of VS10+ (don't ask where I got it from), installed it and guess what? Yeh it HASN'T crashed yet even using the method (test) used to cause my paid for version to crash. I have shut VS10+ down and restarted a couple of times but could not reproduce the crash!

What do you think of that?

I am just about to contact Ulead and tell them that it seems that I have bought a dud version!