VS10 - Unable to create a video file as PAL DVD 5.1 format

[Alex01]

The source video file is recorded in stereo sound track only. But when you edit the video in VS10+, you could turn on the 5.1 sound mode, and edit the video/sound in 5.1 mode. After editing the video with 5.1 sound track, you could play it back in VS10+, and you will see that all 5.1 channels are active. And if you have 5.1 sound system/speakers connect to the pc, you will be able to hear the sound in 5.1 mode.

Does any know whether you could edit in VS10+ a video file with stereo sound track in 5.1 sound track mode turned on, and then render it into a PAL DVD 4:3 5.1 video file?

Has anyone done it before??

Thanks

[Ken Berry]

Just to be clear, my point was not that you couldn't produce a 5.1 video where all 6 channels had audio. My point was that if you started off with a dual channel stereo audio track and did nothing more to it, then you would really only have 'virtual' 5.1 -- i.e. expanding an original two channel audio to fill all 6 tracks.

*True* 5.1 requires separate input into and control over all of the tracks, and, of course, for effective video, some of the audio may only emanate from 2 or 3 of the channels, while the others are playing something else, and perhaps just an echo of the 2 or 3...

[sjj1805]

All of this takes me back to the days when Stereo First came out - Gee I'm showing my age now!!

Many of us rushed out to buy these gimmicky 'Stereo Test Recording Records' (Big round things made of vinyl that you placed a needle onto) - it was supposed to make sure you had connected the wires the correct way round
- i.e. the positive wire to the positive terminal on the speaker and the negative wire to the negative - plus of course you had left and right the correct way round.

First up some chap announcing "I am speaking from the left."
then this nice sounding dolly bird - or for the benefit of the youngsters amongst us - a female
"And I am speaking from the right."

Now to put all this 5.1 stuff into context.
You have 6 speakers, one in each corner of the room and two at the front

See the top right of this picture

OK I can year you asking I can see 5, where's the 6th - the 6th is also at the front but is a 'sub-woofer' that's the big thing that makes the room shake and causes the glasses to fall off the shelf.

So you have your glorious Stereo Demonstration disc with this fellow speaking from the left and this young vixen speaking from the right and you decide to create a 5.1 channel soundtrack out of it.

So where are you expecting their voices to come from?

[Ken Berry]

Nice analogy Steve. Makes my point visually too!

With your picture, your original chap and dolly bird would, in dual channel stereo, be using the front left and front right speakers respectively. When converting dual channel to 5.1, and with nothing further done, the most VS can do is allocate a share of the dual channel stereo audio to Centre and Rear Left and Rear Right, as well as the bass elements to the sub-woofer. This is what I mean by 'virtual' 5.1

In true 5.1, as you will know from movies, the main voice track is Centre, augmented by spill-over stereo separation effects in Front Right and Left, and sometimes also Rear Left and Right. Sound effects can be channelled through any of the speakers, though might segue from one side to the other, or in true surround fashion, through all speakers, but with highlights in one or two...

This is of course vastly different and more complicated than simply making existing dual channel stereo into virtual 5.1

[Alex01]

Phil S, could you please confirm whether you had been able to render a video clip with stereo sound/channels into a video file with PAL DVD 4:3 5.1 format.

Has any tried to render a video clip with stereo sound/channels into a PAL DVD 4:3 5.1 format successfully?

[vslb]

Hi,
I have also no success with render PAL 4:3 - DD5.1 with change in speakers view.
OK to PAL 4:3 - Stereo.

Has anybody found the solution for this subject ?

[Phil S]

Sorry - only just seen this post again.

I have rendered 16:9 PAL videos set to 5.1 with no problem.

I must admit I haven't done a 4:3, but would that make a difference? I don't know. When I get time I'll try a quick test.


EDIT: I've just checked a 4:3 film I made last year and it is in 5.1.

[vslb]

Hello Phil,
Did you work from a stereo video source ?
If yes, what have you done on audio track(s) to transform it in 5.1 (except steps mentioned by ulead http://www.ulead.com/learning/vs/vs10_02_1.htm) ?

Here (from Martyt) the same problem that I have.

Thx in advance.

Regards.

[vslb]

Nobody replies ?

[Wolfgang van Ween]

Nobody replies ?

Ok guys, I did a test. Positive.
I can't follow your exact steps, because I don't have stereo mpeg material available, my camcorder records 5.1 and I never had problems with it.
So, this is what I did to test. Maybe you can repeat the steps to see whether it indeed is your installation of VS10+ or something with that specific file.
1) I created a new project, imported two of the ULEAD demo videos (the skiers), which are in MPEG 1 format, but without sound. About 20 seconds.
2) I drag a stereo audio file onto the music track, again using one of ULEADs: 05_music07.mp3. 15 seconds long.
3) I trim the length of the second video to match the audio length.
4) I change the project settings to PAL 4:3, 25fps, 5.1 Dolby sound.
5) I go into Audio view, play the film and drag the orange button from speaker to speaker, to create an audible 5 channel test
6) I test (back to timeline view, play project) - it works in preview
7) I click Share - Create Video File, select "PAL DVD(4:3, Dolby Digital 5.1)" and render the project in less than 10 seconds
I open the created mpg in PowerDVD, it plays perfectly (the sound moves from speaker to speaker)
My 5 minutes
Wolf

[vslb]

Sorry, i'm in holidays with my son

7) I click Share - Create Video File, select "PAL DVD(4:3, Dolby Digital 5.1)" and render the project in less than 10 seconds.

Everything works fine EXCEPTstep 7. VS crash (it disappears !!).
How to solve this problem ?

[Hugo]

Steve's comments on the Stereo Test Record take me back. Yep, had one of those - did things like putting speakers on marbles to stop vibration, had omni-directionals, and in the VERY early days had one of the first JVC Quadrophonic amplifiers.

The final straw came when my 'then' girlfriend thought I was weird for buying quad headphones when I only have two ears

Paul