I don't mean to be a troll . . . honest. For those that are having success with VS 10+ that's totally cool. This is a great forum and my hat is off to the experts who help everyone out. I know they've helped me for sure.
You can tell I'm coming to a BUT . . .
Ulead has not worked for me primarily because my source video is HDV (from a Sony HC1). It doesn't handle HD very well.
If there are others out there that are struggling with HD, I sympathize. It takes serious computing power and serious software to achieve success.
My overall objective is to be able to do all my project work with the native HD files (m2t files in my case) and then render to both HD for posterity (hopefully I can produce HD DVD's in the future) and also produce standard DVD's from the same project for my customers now (I'm a wedding photographer/videographer).
It appears that I have found the solution to my problems . . . it's Vegas Movie Studio. I've messed with it for a few hours and it seems to do the trick. It's pretty geeky, for sure, but with a bit of effort to learning how to use it, it seem to work fine.
See you guys later.
You are going to call me a troll . . .
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jchunter
Peter,
You will only be a troll if you give up.
I have an HC1 and it works fine with VS10+. What is your problem? Have you seen the HD Tutorial at http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=13872
Wait, don't tell me - you captured using HDVSplit and got left with a zillion .m2t files. Just capture again using Video Studio, which will leave your captured files in .mpg format, that most editors can handle.
You will only be a troll if you give up.
I have an HC1 and it works fine with VS10+. What is your problem? Have you seen the HD Tutorial at http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=13872Wait, don't tell me - you captured using HDVSplit and got left with a zillion .m2t files. Just capture again using Video Studio, which will leave your captured files in .mpg format, that most editors can handle.
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PeterHF
Hey jc what's up.
The final straw for me was the 'pops' in the audio. See my recent thread (several threads, actually) on this problem.
I followed your tutorial as far as I can figure out (nice job, by the way) but I couldn't get rid of the 'pops'.
I'd be very willing to help the collective get to the bottom of this problem because I really like Ulead and this forum rocks.
Let me know what info you need from me, I'd be happy to help out.
The final straw for me was the 'pops' in the audio. See my recent thread (several threads, actually) on this problem.
I followed your tutorial as far as I can figure out (nice job, by the way) but I couldn't get rid of the 'pops'.
I'd be very willing to help the collective get to the bottom of this problem because I really like Ulead and this forum rocks.
Let me know what info you need from me, I'd be happy to help out.
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PeterHF
Perhaps I can be a bit more specific about my workflow if that's useful.
I typically use HDVSplit to upload my video from my HC1 to my pooter. The resulting file is an m2t file.
Correct me if I'm wrong but VS 10+ doesn't know what to do with an m2t file so I've been using Roxio Premier 8 to transcode my m2t files into mpg files. At this point, I have the option of using VS 10 to work with the mpg files but it is pretty slow dealing with 10 gig HD mpg file (plus it doesn't render them very well) so I use Roxio to convert them to DVD mpeg. (This hurts because I'd rather work with the original HD files, refer to my original post on this thread.)
Then I take the resulting DVD mpeg file into Ulead (which handles these files fine) and do my editing.
But the problem I have encountered is that when I do my editing and then produce my final mpeg, the audio has pops in it.
Hope this helps narrow down the problem.
Later skaters.
I typically use HDVSplit to upload my video from my HC1 to my pooter. The resulting file is an m2t file.
Correct me if I'm wrong but VS 10+ doesn't know what to do with an m2t file so I've been using Roxio Premier 8 to transcode my m2t files into mpg files. At this point, I have the option of using VS 10 to work with the mpg files but it is pretty slow dealing with 10 gig HD mpg file (plus it doesn't render them very well) so I use Roxio to convert them to DVD mpeg. (This hurts because I'd rather work with the original HD files, refer to my original post on this thread.)
Then I take the resulting DVD mpeg file into Ulead (which handles these files fine) and do my editing.
But the problem I have encountered is that when I do my editing and then produce my final mpeg, the audio has pops in it.
Hope this helps narrow down the problem.
Later skaters.
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jchunter
Peter,
Sure, VS10+ knows what to do with m2t files - it converts them to mpg when you capture by stripping off all the transport baggage, which is only there for the purpose of error-free transfer over lossy transmission lines. Too bad it doesn't offer that feature for m2t files that are already in the computer.
Don't use HDVSplit to capture and you will probably be OK. If you analyze the pops carefully, do they possibly happen every time you transition from one m2t file to the next?
HDVSplit is also on the wrong track vis a vis splitting the capture file physically. If you want automatic scene splitting you can do it in Video Studio without slicing up the capture file into separate files. VS does it by doing "virtual" splits, which doesn't affect the quality of the capture file at all.
Just capture your video again using VS10+ and I think you will be home free.
See - I knew you weren't a troll.
Sure, VS10+ knows what to do with m2t files - it converts them to mpg when you capture by stripping off all the transport baggage, which is only there for the purpose of error-free transfer over lossy transmission lines. Too bad it doesn't offer that feature for m2t files that are already in the computer.
Don't use HDVSplit to capture and you will probably be OK. If you analyze the pops carefully, do they possibly happen every time you transition from one m2t file to the next?
HDVSplit is also on the wrong track vis a vis splitting the capture file physically. If you want automatic scene splitting you can do it in Video Studio without slicing up the capture file into separate files. VS does it by doing "virtual" splits, which doesn't affect the quality of the capture file at all.
Just capture your video again using VS10+ and I think you will be home free.
See - I knew you weren't a troll.
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PeterHF
no offence intended
No offence intended maddrummer. Sometimes I peel off forum entries without a lot of worry about using the exact right language.
What I meant was that Vegas is a bit more complex than Ulead, which is intended to be very easy to use. I like Vegas. Sure the learning curve is a bit steeper but those learning videos are very very helpful. I can see other software vendors adopting that style. How it just shows you what to do directly in the application is very cool.
Later.
What I meant was that Vegas is a bit more complex than Ulead, which is intended to be very easy to use. I like Vegas. Sure the learning curve is a bit steeper but those learning videos are very very helpful. I can see other software vendors adopting that style. How it just shows you what to do directly in the application is very cool.
Later.
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PeterHF
To jc:
I find HDVSplit just fine for uploading from the HC1. I like the idea that it reports lost packets and that it has such a small footprint. You just have to make sure you have the 'split by scene' or whatever it's called, turned off. Actually my 30 day trial of Ulead ran out today so I can't try your suggestion of capturing directly into VS but I have no doubt that you are right since you also have an HC1.
BTW, do you have any performance problems with large HD files using VS? And do you do all your project work directly in HD? That's one of my objectives. I mean, why would you have an HD camera if all you do is convert it to DVD mpeg. Why not just have a DV camera. At least that was what I was faced with until I found Vegas. I'm genuinely interested in your experience. You are obviously a very competent person on these subjects.
I find HDVSplit just fine for uploading from the HC1. I like the idea that it reports lost packets and that it has such a small footprint. You just have to make sure you have the 'split by scene' or whatever it's called, turned off. Actually my 30 day trial of Ulead ran out today so I can't try your suggestion of capturing directly into VS but I have no doubt that you are right since you also have an HC1.
BTW, do you have any performance problems with large HD files using VS? And do you do all your project work directly in HD? That's one of my objectives. I mean, why would you have an HD camera if all you do is convert it to DVD mpeg. Why not just have a DV camera. At least that was what I was faced with until I found Vegas. I'm genuinely interested in your experience. You are obviously a very competent person on these subjects.
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PeterHF
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jchunter
Peter,
I don't find HDVSplit good at all because the code is a perpetual alpha or beta quality. It is a one-man show. Capturing in .mt2 format is a major mistake because the Mpeg Transport Stream format contains a whole lot of extra baggage that has to be stripped and reapplied when it is edited and gets in the way for playback. Lots of video software can't handle m2t at all.
Moreover, if you do a search on http://www.sonyhdvinfo.com for Vegas threads you will find a lot of grief by users who find that Vegas doesn't edit m2t very well.
I do all my editing in HD, now, and either smart render HD at 1440x1080 or transcode to Divx at 1920x1080p or downconvert to DVD compliant SD video and burn DVDs for "HD-Challenged" friends.
I do not find editing large HD files sluggish. Positioning a large clip with frame-accuracy is easy if you use the vernier control under the preview screen.
I don't find HDVSplit good at all because the code is a perpetual alpha or beta quality. It is a one-man show. Capturing in .mt2 format is a major mistake because the Mpeg Transport Stream format contains a whole lot of extra baggage that has to be stripped and reapplied when it is edited and gets in the way for playback. Lots of video software can't handle m2t at all.
Moreover, if you do a search on http://www.sonyhdvinfo.com for Vegas threads you will find a lot of grief by users who find that Vegas doesn't edit m2t very well.
I do all my editing in HD, now, and either smart render HD at 1440x1080 or transcode to Divx at 1920x1080p or downconvert to DVD compliant SD video and burn DVDs for "HD-Challenged" friends.
I do not find editing large HD files sluggish. Positioning a large clip with frame-accuracy is easy if you use the vernier control under the preview screen.
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PeterHF
problems with m2t
jchunter:
Yes, I just encountered my first problem using an m2t file with Vegas. The source file was about a 40 minute m2t file. When I rendered it into DVD mpeg and played it back, about 20 minutes into the video the audio and video no longer remained synched.
You are the man jc. I'll switch to capturing in Vegas, I guess (since my trial ran out for VS). I wonder if my problems with 'pops' in the audio can be traced back to using HDVSpit. You wouldn't think so since the problem shows up with I edit a large DVD mpeg (produced by Roxio Premier
which has perfectly clean audio but I suppose anything's possible.
Yes, I just encountered my first problem using an m2t file with Vegas. The source file was about a 40 minute m2t file. When I rendered it into DVD mpeg and played it back, about 20 minutes into the video the audio and video no longer remained synched.
You are the man jc. I'll switch to capturing in Vegas, I guess (since my trial ran out for VS). I wonder if my problems with 'pops' in the audio can be traced back to using HDVSpit. You wouldn't think so since the problem shows up with I edit a large DVD mpeg (produced by Roxio Premier
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PeterHF
maddrummer:
Haha, that would be the sane thing to do wouldn't it. I'm intent on capturing in HD for posterity (when an HD standard becomes commonplace and I want to product HD DVD's from my source tapes, I can). But in the meantime, I still want to produce standard DVD's from my source tapes.
Maybe my objectives are unrealistic. I'm certainly starting to wonder.
I mean, I thought I'd found the solution with Vegas Movie Studio and then the second project I tried screwed up; the audio got out of synch with the video half way through a 40 minute file. Geez!
JChunter says that I shouldn't use HDVSplit to capture the video from my camera because it produces m2t files which have a lot of baggage on them that causes problems with Vegas.
So I go into Vegas to capture directly into it and it produces the same thing; m2t files.
So then I figure, well I'll just open the m2t file in Vegas and dump it out into an mpg file whichout changing any settings. I think they call this transcoding. No luck there. It wants to render the entire file.
WILL THIS EVER END!!!! Sorry for yelling. I mean, Vegas is from Sony and they made the *(&^^%*(*(& camera. Isn't there any software out there that can handle this stuff comfortably?
maddrummer I know this is not your problem. I'm just in a MOOD. I've been messing with this stuff for months now. I used to have a life.
Haha, that would be the sane thing to do wouldn't it. I'm intent on capturing in HD for posterity (when an HD standard becomes commonplace and I want to product HD DVD's from my source tapes, I can). But in the meantime, I still want to produce standard DVD's from my source tapes.
Maybe my objectives are unrealistic. I'm certainly starting to wonder.
I mean, I thought I'd found the solution with Vegas Movie Studio and then the second project I tried screwed up; the audio got out of synch with the video half way through a 40 minute file. Geez!
JChunter says that I shouldn't use HDVSplit to capture the video from my camera because it produces m2t files which have a lot of baggage on them that causes problems with Vegas.
So I go into Vegas to capture directly into it and it produces the same thing; m2t files.
So then I figure, well I'll just open the m2t file in Vegas and dump it out into an mpg file whichout changing any settings. I think they call this transcoding. No luck there. It wants to render the entire file.
WILL THIS EVER END!!!! Sorry for yelling. I mean, Vegas is from Sony and they made the *(&^^%*(*(& camera. Isn't there any software out there that can handle this stuff comfortably?
maddrummer I know this is not your problem. I'm just in a MOOD. I've been messing with this stuff for months now. I used to have a life.