Hello all. I've been using DWS for quite a while converting vhs tapes and menuing them without any issues.
A short while ago I had occasion to menu some video which was captured from my Panny gs200 into Adobe Premiere Elements for only minor edits. After saving the timeline to a dv-avi file on the hard drive, I brought it into DWS. (btw I've done this in the past without problems also)
After menuing and saving, I had Workshop encode and burn. The product was classic field order problem. Jittery with movement.
I went back to my project in Adobe, saved it this time to an mpeg file rather than dv-avi, and repeated the DWS process. It was fine.
Today, I had occasion to once again convert a VHS using a Canopus 300. In the back of my mind, I recalled the field order issue I had when I imported the dv-avi from Premiere. So, before starting my capture, I just wanted to check the capture field order. Now for my long winded question.
The field order option was not available to be changed. I couldn't even find the screen for it. Is this option available only in the capture tab? (which I was in) Or is it only available while using a camcorder rather than the Canopus device?
The conversion came out without any field order issues, but I'm sitting here scratching my head, trying to figure out where in the world are these field order option settings found in DWS. ?
thanks much
dcp
Field Order Question
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Devil
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Is your "Canopus 300" an ADVC-300? If so, you have no control as the video stream from it is DV, which is always lower field first (you cannot alter it, because "capturing" is not capturing, but simply a transfer of the stream to your HDD).
However, as you say nothing about your settings in PP or what you have imported into it or how, no one here can guess why your field order is wrong. However, I suspect that there may be something in PP that changes the field order because you are not the first to have made a similar observation. I can't help, as I don't have PP.
Find DVDWS.INI in your system (C:\Docs&Sett... ...\2.0\) and add Advance=1 to your [VIODRIVER] list. You will then have a new button in your MPEG Settings dialogue, marked 'Advanced'. Behind this you will find a million adjustments you can make, including the field order.
However, as you say nothing about your settings in PP or what you have imported into it or how, no one here can guess why your field order is wrong. However, I suspect that there may be something in PP that changes the field order because you are not the first to have made a similar observation. I can't help, as I don't have PP.
Find DVDWS.INI in your system (C:\Docs&Sett... ...\2.0\) and add Advance=1 to your [VIODRIVER] list. You will then have a new button in your MPEG Settings dialogue, marked 'Advanced'. Behind this you will find a million adjustments you can make, including the field order.
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DiscCoasterPro
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Thanks for the reply Devil. PP defaults also to LFF and as I originally saved as a dv-avi there, it was LFF. (sorry I wasn't more specific)
I did ramble some in my question. Primarily I just wanted to know where the heck the settings were in DWS. I recalled once upon a time, seeing them, and now after looking and looking I couldn't even come up with a greyed out window for the settings. I thought that was strange.
My Canopus is an ADVC 300 and yes, I'm aware it is hardware set to dv-avi LFF. I just wondered if there was some setting in DWS that reversed what was being transferred.
The bigger head scratcher was that I couldn't even find the settings that I do recall seeing once. I'll try what you say, but I still don't know what happened to that screen.
I even bought the book from VASS by Mark Dileo and I quote from it ...
"Setting the Capture field order available with all Formats except WMV)"
"Start your playback device, Video should start playing in the preview area" (IT DOES) "Select OPTIONS>CHANGE FIELD ORDER" It then shows a picture of that small box with Field settings.
When I select options there is no CHANGE FILED ORDER selection to be found. Nor is there one in any sub selection under OPTIONS> so, even though I realize DV-AVI is LFF, I just want to see why this program all of a sudden decided it wasn't going to provide that menu. I thought it may be relative to some special mode.
I did ramble some in my question. Primarily I just wanted to know where the heck the settings were in DWS. I recalled once upon a time, seeing them, and now after looking and looking I couldn't even come up with a greyed out window for the settings. I thought that was strange.
My Canopus is an ADVC 300 and yes, I'm aware it is hardware set to dv-avi LFF. I just wondered if there was some setting in DWS that reversed what was being transferred.
The bigger head scratcher was that I couldn't even find the settings that I do recall seeing once. I'll try what you say, but I still don't know what happened to that screen.
I even bought the book from VASS by Mark Dileo and I quote from it ...
"Setting the Capture field order available with all Formats except WMV)"
"Start your playback device, Video should start playing in the preview area" (IT DOES) "Select OPTIONS>CHANGE FIELD ORDER" It then shows a picture of that small box with Field settings.
When I select options there is no CHANGE FILED ORDER selection to be found. Nor is there one in any sub selection under OPTIONS> so, even though I realize DV-AVI is LFF, I just want to see why this program all of a sudden decided it wasn't going to provide that menu. I thought it may be relative to some special mode.
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Still struggling with this field order issue
Hi Devil. I have to admit, that I haven't been authoring many DVD from Premiere Pro lately. Most all I do is conversion from analog with minor menuing in DVDWS. When I do that I capture with the DVDWS program and stick the quick chapter markers is and burn. No problem there.
I did however, (rare occasion) have a TV show I wanted to capture for my wife. I used the Canopus ADVC with the S-Video out and audio outs from my cable box into the Canopus and out via firewire. I did use DVDWS to make the capture.
I took the AVI into PPro to clip out commercials only. I resaved in PPro as a dv-avi file. I brought it back into DVDWorkshop and menued it. The output to DVD was plagued with this field order jitter.
I'm confused by this. I did take your suggestion to add the advance=1 line to the dvdws.ini file but I'm embarrassed to admit I do not find an advanced tab or even an mpeg dialogue area. Is this mpeg setting area the one found under compression in the Final area when you click on the small disc icon next to quality settings? If so, I see no advanced.
If it is a setting under preferences, I also do not find it. Nor do I see it under options with the gear wheel. I'm sure I'm missing something here.
I know PPro saves all dv-avi files as type 2 LFF. I did overcome this issue once again by encoding to mpeg in PPro prior to bringing it into Workshop so that Workshop doesn't have to encode.
I wonder is the UFF / LFF option one only applicable for capture, or does DVD Workshop have the ability to actually encode a dv-avi file to mpeg in either LFF or UFF? IF so, this is the setting I have to locate.
**btw ... is it, advance=1 or advanced=1 ? Thanks
thanks much,
dcp
I did however, (rare occasion) have a TV show I wanted to capture for my wife. I used the Canopus ADVC with the S-Video out and audio outs from my cable box into the Canopus and out via firewire. I did use DVDWS to make the capture.
I took the AVI into PPro to clip out commercials only. I resaved in PPro as a dv-avi file. I brought it back into DVDWorkshop and menued it. The output to DVD was plagued with this field order jitter.
I'm confused by this. I did take your suggestion to add the advance=1 line to the dvdws.ini file but I'm embarrassed to admit I do not find an advanced tab or even an mpeg dialogue area. Is this mpeg setting area the one found under compression in the Final area when you click on the small disc icon next to quality settings? If so, I see no advanced.
If it is a setting under preferences, I also do not find it. Nor do I see it under options with the gear wheel. I'm sure I'm missing something here.
I know PPro saves all dv-avi files as type 2 LFF. I did overcome this issue once again by encoding to mpeg in PPro prior to bringing it into Workshop so that Workshop doesn't have to encode.
I wonder is the UFF / LFF option one only applicable for capture, or does DVD Workshop have the ability to actually encode a dv-avi file to mpeg in either LFF or UFF? IF so, this is the setting I have to locate.
**btw ... is it, advance=1 or advanced=1 ? Thanks
thanks much,
dcp
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Devil
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It is advance=1
If all you are doing in PP is cutting the commercials out, then why not do it in WS2? That way, you can transfer into a DV type 1 AVI in LFF and keep it that way in all the settings until you encode into MPEG-2, without bothering about the advanced options.
If all you are doing in PP is cutting the commercials out, then why not do it in WS2? That way, you can transfer into a DV type 1 AVI in LFF and keep it that way in all the settings until you encode into MPEG-2, without bothering about the advanced options.
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thanks for your reply. The only reason I clipped it up in PPro was because it scrubs so much easier and faster. Setting the ins and outs just flows so much easier for me in PP. I guess, I can do it in DWS as well and see what happens.
The real odd thing about all this is that I've always (when needed) made edits (both minor and major) in PP and saved to a dv-avi and brought it into DWS for authoring without any issues. The only thing I can put my finger on was this field order setting that I recall seeing one time, and thinking I may have changed it's default. Now not only can I not find it anymore, but it seems all dv-avis that come in from PP display this jitter after encoding in DWS.
With that option set, would you point me to the advanced screen inside DWS. How or where exactly would I access it.
thanks!
dcp
The real odd thing about all this is that I've always (when needed) made edits (both minor and major) in PP and saved to a dv-avi and brought it into DWS for authoring without any issues. The only thing I can put my finger on was this field order setting that I recall seeing one time, and thinking I may have changed it's default. Now not only can I not find it anymore, but it seems all dv-avis that come in from PP display this jitter after encoding in DWS.
With that option set, would you point me to the advanced screen inside DWS. How or where exactly would I access it.
thanks!
dcp
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You type Advance=1 under the VIO DRIVER heading of your DWS configuration file.
You can locate that file by going to Documents & Settings and then... I forget... Programs, Ulead Systems, DVD Workshop?
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You can locate that file by going to Documents & Settings and then... I forget... Programs, Ulead Systems, DVD Workshop?
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Hi DCP:
You issue is frighteningly identical to mine - right down to the Panny GS200 MiniDV recorder. I am only now starting to learn about this field order issue.
May I ask:
When you switch to mixing down with Premiere Elements MPEG, did you use default options? Did make any changes to the field order? My video is currently under an hour in length. Would I benefit from increasing the bit-rate.
One note about bit-rates that I have noticed: Whenever I have specified variable bit-rates, no matter what the product used, I have always found that any text that I have overlayed on top of my video, for titles or captions, has serious feathering and jagged edges. When I specify a constant bit rate, it always looks very sharp.
Your experience and advice is appreciated.
Mark Roberts,
Toronto, Canada
You issue is frighteningly identical to mine - right down to the Panny GS200 MiniDV recorder. I am only now starting to learn about this field order issue.
May I ask:
When you switch to mixing down with Premiere Elements MPEG, did you use default options? Did make any changes to the field order? My video is currently under an hour in length. Would I benefit from increasing the bit-rate.
One note about bit-rates that I have noticed: Whenever I have specified variable bit-rates, no matter what the product used, I have always found that any text that I have overlayed on top of my video, for titles or captions, has serious feathering and jagged edges. When I specify a constant bit rate, it always looks very sharp.
Your experience and advice is appreciated.
Mark Roberts,
Toronto, Canada
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DiscCoasterPro
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Hi Jethro. Although I do have PE vers. 2 I've been using Premiere Pro
I don't recall if I used the defaults although I don't believe so.
I have a real issue with PPro and although the thread starts out with an audio multiplexing issue I go on to explain what I've found
Take a second and read through this mess, but I'll tell you ahead of time, I just can't figure it out. I think it has to be an Adobe issue, but I still don't know for sure.
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=22800
I don't recall if I used the defaults although I don't believe so.
I have a real issue with PPro and although the thread starts out with an audio multiplexing issue I go on to explain what I've found
Take a second and read through this mess, but I'll tell you ahead of time, I just can't figure it out. I think it has to be an Adobe issue, but I still don't know for sure.
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=22800