chapters, auto set the 1st one?

brucefl · Post by **brucefl** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:37 pm

Hello,
Doing a video of rafting trips. I am setting the chapters as I go. I assume when I get ready to burn, the wizard part of it will automatically pick those chapter markers up? I have 4 of them set right now.
Does it automatically place a chapter marker at the beginning? The first one I have set is about 12 minutes into the project.
thanks Bruce

blplhp · Post by **blplhp** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:14 pm

Hi brucefl,

To answer your first question, yes the wizard will automatically pick up the chapter markers that you selected in the DVD authoring module. You should see them on your DVD chapter menu template. If you set chapter markers in the editing module, you will lose those marks when you render the video file, as the DVD authoring module won't recognize them, because your timeline in the editing module at this point is empty. You must set your chapter markers in the DVD authoring module (Share | Create Disc).

To answer your second question, yes VS will automatically place a chapter marker at the beginning of your project (again from within the DVD authoring module - Share | Create Disc). The first one that you have set, which you state is 12 minutes into the project, should actually be your second chapter. The first 12 minutes of your project will be covered under the automatic chapter marker set by the program.

You can always change the starting point of the "motion video" of the thumbnail chapter window by double clicking on the thumbnail, which brings up the "Start Position" dialog box. There is a horizontal slider bar that you can adjust to set the starting point of the thumbnail motion view. This adjustment in no way alters where this chapter starts when playing the chapter itself, it only adjusts the starting point of the "motion video" within the chapter thumbnail inside the chapter sub menu page.

I hope this is not too confusing.

Post by **Ken Berry** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:01 pm

Just to clarify blplhp's explanation a little:

Using the wizard -- it should recognise the chapter marks and automatically insert a first chapter point at the beginning.

If you choose to use the Edit module instead of the wizard, AND if you follow our recommended procedure, there is no point in inserting the chapter points during the editing stage. The Recommended Procedure would have you, after you have finished editing, going to Share > Create Video File > DVD to create a DVD-compatible mpeg-2, then closing the project, opening a new one with an empty timeline, then selecting Share > Create Disc > DVD. If you do it this way, then the mpeg-2 created in 'Create Video File' will NOT contain the chapter marks. You have to insert these in the burning module during the menu creation phase.

If, however, you ignore the Recommended Procedure, do your edits, including insertion of chapter points, and then go straight to Share > Create Disc > DVD, then your project file (.vsp) is inserted into the burning module and the chapter marks are recognised.

This seems to work well for some users. However, you will need to test whether it works for you -- and here, I mean test whether not following the recommended procedure works for you, as opposed to whether not following the recommended procedure leads to the chapter marks being recognised. Those procedures were of course developed precisely because NOT following them led to many other problems for a wide variety of users.

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:19 am

Ken Berry wrote:If you choose to use the Edit module instead of the wizard, AND if you follow our recommended procedure, there is no point in inserting the chapter points during the editing stage. The Recommended Procedure would have you, after you have finished editing, going to Share > Create Video File > DVD to create a DVD-compatible mpeg-2, then closing the project, opening a new one with an empty timeline, then selecting Share > Create Disc > DVD. If you do it this way, then the mpeg-2 created in 'Create Video File' will NOT contain the chapter marks. You have to insert these in the burning module during the menu creation phase.

I believe the DVD Chapters in the Edit Module will carry forward to the DVD Module (even if you create a DVD Mpeg first, then insert the mpeg into a new project using the DVD Authoring module). It was probably a fix in the update patch...

Regards,
George

Post by **Ken Berry** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:54 am

That's most interesting George. I certainly don't recall it being mentioned in the announcement of SP1. It would be a pretty big fix if it was in fact included, and certainly, I would have thought, worthy of a big line of its own in the announcement of what has been fixed... I have just cross-checked on the Ulead site, and there is no mention of this in the list of bugs fixed.

I initially installed the SP1 when it came out, but got some funny behaviour so uninstalled and reinstalled VS10+ without it. I am reluctant to reload the service pack but just might if this is in fact true. I wonder if anyone else has found it now works?

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:09 am

I have previously conducted some tests relating to the Chapter Points.
The results are in this post:
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic. ... 7291#77291

Post by **Ken Berry** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:22 am

As had I (in the same post as yours). But George is now suggesting the situation which pertained in August may now have changed. And I don't want to install SP1 on VS10+ just to test it out. I was hoping someone else who already has SP1 installed might do so and post the results back here...

Post by **Ron P.** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:50 am

Ok, I have had VS10+ SP1 installed. I just ran a test on a 6 min video clip. In a nutshell I can confirm Steve's findings.

My video clip was a 6 min DV/avi from my camcorder.
In VS, editor I placed chapter marks every 2 mins.
I then created a DVD-compliant MPEG2 from my project.
I then saved the project, for later tests.
Selected New Project, (cleared timeline), Opened burn module.
Inserted the MPEG2, and upon utilizing the Add Chapters, I was only presented with the standard Time selection, Scene Detection, or manually. VS burn module did not recognize the chapter marks, ie; they appeared to have been stripped from the MPEG2. Closed burn module.

Opened the saved project having the chapter marks.
Launched the burn module, and the project file was inserted, and the chapter marks were recognized, and chapters created accordingly. Closed burn module.

The Movie Wizard recognized the chapters, so did DMF4 DC.

So in my findings, the SP1 did not address and correct this issue.

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:50 pm

Regarding the link from Steve -- I was actually in that thread pointing out that the chapters worked in DVDWS2 and DMF4.

For some reason, it now works for me in those programs as well as in VS10+ SP1 and MF5 Plus. My version of VS10+ is 10.0.0110.2 Plus.

Is the "Insert Scenes as Chapters" radio button ghosted? Where your mpeg file is, do you have a corresponding file with the same name but with an extension of .UPD

Maybe it wasn't SP1 that fixed it, but some other variable on my machine that fixed the problem

Regards,
George

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:23 pm

Just redid Vidoman's test.

Neither from an AVI or an MPG file are the chapters transferred.
Only from a VSP, but then that defeats the whole "separate things" of the safe (or recommended) prcedure.

Post by **Ron P.** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 12:49 am

Ok George, we need to find out what it is on your machine that fixed this, AND make sure Ulead incorporates it into an SP. Reading the bugs fixed in SP1, I couldn't find anything related to the chapter marks. So if it would be in the SP1, it would be by accident.

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 2:46 am

well, something is strange -- I had VS10+ with SP1 installed on a laptop. I just created a DVD mpeg from a 50-second dv .avi (putting chapters at 8, 16, 36 second marks). Closed VS10, re-open VS10 and went right to the DVD Authoring module. Added the mpeg file, and hit the Add/Edit Chapter, then Auto Add Chapters, then had the radio button for Insert Scenes as chapters checked and hit OK -- and it loaded up the chapters I added in the Edit module...

So it seems to be working on two machines here...

The VS10+ I am using is a downloaded version, and the SP1 is from the Ulead support pages.

The version in Help/About is: 10.0.0110.2 Plus

The laptop was brand new, and I only installed VS10+ and SP1 to see if SP1 did improve encoding speeds on a Core Duo processor (btw, performance was improved on the Core Duo processor).

I don't know why it works here (on two machines), while others cannot get it to work

Regards,
George

Post by **Ron P.** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:56 am

This is strange, My Version is the full boxed version, and I applied the SP1 patch from Ulead's site.. In the Help/About it show the version number as...

Ulead VideoStudio 10.0.0110.0 Plus

EDIT...

Just for grins and giggles, I applied the SP1 patch again. This time it shows my version to match yours George. The SP1 patch adds the 2 on the end. Apparently when I installed, I done so under my Video editing profile. For unknown reasons, it did not apply the patch to the program when I open it up under my normal profile...

I'll go back and re-run my test to see if it now has corrected it....

Post by **Ron P.** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:24 am

I just completed a test, using a 6 min DV/avi. Created Chapter marks at 1min 30secs, 2min 38 secs, and 4 mins. I can now confirm that VS10 + and DVDMF 5+ does recognize the chapter marks set while editing in VS10 +, even after rendering to a MPEG2. DVDMF4 DC also recognizes them..

GeorgeW · Post by **GeorgeW** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:57 pm

vidoman wrote:I just completed a test, using a 6 min DV/avi. Created Chapter marks at 1min 30secs, 2min 38 secs, and 4 mins. I can now confirm that VS10 + and DVDMF 5+ does recognize the chapter marks set while editing in VS10 +, even after rendering to a MPEG2. DVDMF4 DC also recognizes them..

So do you agree that SP1 does address the DVD Chapter issue

At least it appears to be working on two machines here, and your machine...

Not sure about daniel's, or even Steve's (since he only re-posted a link to a thread that came out prior to the SP1).

Regards,
George