How to avoid rendering from VOB to DVD?

ilbarbaro · Post by **ilbarbaro** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:52 pm

Folks,

Looking for some clarification. I'm admittedly a newbie and currently have PE2. I'm interested in VS10 mainly for native DVD format editing to avoid potential quality loss and extensive rendering times. I've searched the forums, but couldn't find an answer.

I have a Sony DVD camcorder. I have some discs that I "finalized" essentially convering them to a DVD format. I then transferred the contents to my hard drive. In VS10 (trial version), I'd like to see how easily it handles native .mpg or vob format.

I was able to add the vob video files using the Movie Wizard. I then use the default "Home Movie" theme template. When I go to Create Video File, I chose NTSC DVD 16:9 w/ Dolby 5.1 as the format (since the original video is 16:9 and Dobly 5.1).

I expected the VS10 (given the SmartRendering capabilities) to create a video file pretty quickly since only files it would really need to create are the menus and transitions, yet it seems to be taking forever.

What am I doing wrong? Did I not set up my video file properties to exactly match my original vob/mpg video properties (not that I'm sure how to figure what they are and how to match up to them)?

I thought VS10 would automatically adjust to the properties of the first clip?

Are my expectations simply too high?

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:38 pm

Because you have the trial version the Dolby is disabled (a licensing thing). Try using LPCM and see if that solves your problem.

BTW, your expectations are not too high. It will do what you want with the full version.

ilbarbaro · Post by **ilbarbaro** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:15 pm

Thanks for the response. I don't know why "they" play those games with trials such that you can't truly trial the product the way your going to use it.

Since it's just the audio, should it really take so long? I did allow my to change the audio settings in the properties, but I guess that doesn't mean it's actually going to work.

How long does it usually take (you) to take 3 hours of vobs and turn into a single DVD (if you don't mind me asking)?

ilbarbaro · Post by **ilbarbaro** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:24 pm

And now it seems Ulead, after all that time rendering, reached 99% and froze. Man, I don't why it's so hard for companies to come up with video editing software that just works.

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:27 pm

Again, the Dolby issue is one of licensing with Dolby. Apparently they don't give anything away for free.

For me, rendering usually takes 1-1.5 times the length of my project, depending upon such factors as the number of transitions, filters, audio, etc. that I might have in the project. It also depends on the horsepower of your pc.

Give it a try with the LPCM and see how long it takes.

ilbarbaro · Post by **ilbarbaro** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:28 pm

So I checked the file. VS did seem to create a .mpg file, but only for about the first two VOB files and it's very jittery.

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:37 pm

I thought VS10 would automatically adjust to the properties of the first clip?

I think you'll find that most of the experienced users here do not rely on anything done automatically. It is best to change your properties manually to make sure they match at every stage.

What are your clip and project properties?

frantid · Post by **frantid** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:00 pm

ilbarbaro wrote:Thanks for the response. I don't know why "they" play those games with trials such that you can't truly trial the product the way your going to use it.

Since it's just the audio, should it really take so long? I did allow my to change the audio settings in the properties, but I guess that doesn't mean it's actually going to work.

How long does it usually take (you) to take 3 hours of vobs and turn into a single DVD (if you don't mind me asking)?

I've noticed a bug in VS10 when rendering to dvd directly from a project and smartrender. Try this - assuming your not adding transitions and such - after you chose create dvd - delete the file on the dvd authoring time line(on the popup app not in vs10). Then add back in your vob files with the add file button. Then go about creating menus etc. It should now smartrender. It should skip the "title" conversion and go straight to creating the menu, create a folder instead of burning a disk at first to test. It might convert your audio but it should be really fast. I get a 4 gig disk done in 10 minutes, buring to a folder.

You can see if you have the same bug as I do, by clicking the "i" in the dvd app. If you have the bug, it will not list the file name nor it's properties. After you add it in directly, clicking the "i" will give you the name and file properties. If it does that it will smartrender.

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:08 pm

Actually, if you follow the Recommended Procedure (top sticky) you do not burn from a project in the timeline, rather inserting it as you mention.

It is interesting, though, that no information about the clip is available when going straight from a clip in the timeline to the burn module.

frantid · Post by **frantid** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:54 pm

Black Lab wrote:Actually, if you follow the Recommended Procedure (top sticky) you do not burn from a project in the timeline, rather inserting it as you mention.

It is interesting, though, that no information about the clip is available when going straight from a clip in the timeline to the burn module.

Really interesting that dvd moviefactory 5 does not have this problem. You can import an unrendered vs10 project file and it will smartrender. Whatever code base fix they did for DVDMF did not get put into the vs10 module. If I had a hd dvd writer I'd buy it just for the fix as I like to put chapters via the timeline and to save the extra step, but it's not worth the price for me at the moment.

I'm a big fan of user work arounds, but I think it's a bug they should fix.

Black Lab · Post by **Black Lab** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:13 pm

I'm a big fan of user work arounds, but I think it's a bug they should fix.

Don't hold your breath. The Recommended Procedure has been around, in some form, since at least version 6 and Ulead still hasn't caught on that there is a problem.