help with capture/edit/burn settings. vs10+ pal u.k

gavjbrown · Post by **gavjbrown** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:14 pm

i know there is a post at the top of the forum but it seems all american ntsc and the settings it gives in pal are mostly greyed out in vs10+ and not changable.

i would like to hear from anyone that has succesfully captured/edited and burnt to disc a pal project and what settings you used throughout the process.

i have a sony minidv camcorder

daniel · Post by **daniel** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:42 pm

Videostudio and all other Ulead video related programs will of course process PAL video as well as NTSC.
It will even handle many exotic formats if you wish to produce video for computer formats, internet video, or even other devices.

gavjbrown · Post by **gavjbrown** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:59 pm

thanks for your reply, i know i need pal but not sure on what settings to use throughout the process.

the dvd i end up with is very jerky when moving the camera from left to right.

i just wondered what settings people were using when capturing/editing and burning a pal dvd

jchunter · Post by **jchunter** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:00 pm

The property differences for DVD compliant video between PAL and NTSC are that the Frame size is 720x576 instead of 720x480 and the frame rate is 25/sec instead of 30/sec.

Jerky video is usually caused by incorrect Field Order - Upper Field First for analog video, Lower Field First for most DV camcorders.

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:12 pm

Hi

For top quality you should capture to Dv-Avi.
This produces a file about 13 Gb per hour.

To capture to Dv-avi you should use a firewire connection. Selecting DV as the capture format.

After capture you edit in this format then render to Pal-Dvd.
(May take some time)

This creates a file compatible for dvd burning.

Read the ¡¥recommended procedure¡¦ from the top of this forum.

Read my Quick Guide to Dv-Avi from the link below.
Then read Create a Video file followed by Share Burn to Disc

Gav--post some more info on how you are capturing and what settings you are using.

Again for best results from a Mini-Dv, capture using firewire.

Hope this helps

Trevor

gavjbrown · Post by **gavjbrown** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:50 pm

i will give it another go and post the settings and results.

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:56 pm

Hi

Try on a short capture, say 10 minutes

Trevor

gavjbrown · Post by **gavjbrown** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:33 pm

hi trevor, just out of interest what sort of quality should i expect when played on the tv.

could someone also tell me how to get a screenshot so i can show you guys what settings im using

gavjbrown · Post by **gavjbrown** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:46 pm

just tried a 5min piece and when played on the dvd player is still jumpy

below are the setting i used

VIDEO AND AUDIO CAPTURE PROPERTIES

MPEG Files
24 Bits, 720 x 576, 25.00 fps
Lower Field First
MPEG-2
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 8000 kbps)
Audio data rate: 224 kbps
MPEG Audio, 48.0 KHz, Stereo

PROJECT PROPERTIES

PAL (25 fps)
MPEG files
24 bits, 720 x 576, 25 fps
Lower Field First
(MPEG-2), 16:9
Video data rate: Variable (Max. 8000 kbps)
Audio data rate: 224 kbps
MPEG audio layer 2, 48 KHz, Stereo

Trevor Andrew · Post by **Trevor Andrew** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:21 pm

Hi

How are you connecting the camcorder to your pc.

Are you using Firewire connected to the Dv-out on the camera

or are you using a capture card connected to A/V out.

When you capture to mpeg you should select Pal-Dvd not Mpeg

As i said earlier the best capture is via firewire to DV

Trevor

jchunter · Post by **jchunter** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:35 pm

Gavjbrown,
Your properties seem fine for most DV camcorders. Do you have the Drop Frame Counter enabled during capture?

However, jumpy/jerky video is very symptomatic of a Field Order problem. What is the Make and Model of your camcorder?

gavjbrown · Post by **gavjbrown** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:55 pm

trevor andrew wrote:Hi

How are you connecting the camcorder to your pc.

Are you using Firewire connected to the Dv-out on the camera

or are you using a capture card connected to A/V out.

When you capture to mpeg you should select Pal-Dvd not Mpeg

As i said earlier the best capture is via firewire to DV

Trevor

hi trevor yes its connected by firewire and i will give it a try using dv.
thanks for your help.
i will also give it another try with m-peg and change to pal-dvd

gavjbrown · Post by **gavjbrown** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:57 pm

jchunter wrote:Gavjbrown,
Your properties seem fine for most DV camcorders. Do you have the Drop Frame Counter enabled during capture?

However, jumpy/jerky video is very symptomatic of a Field Order problem. What is the Make and Model of your camcorder?

hi john, the camcorder is a sony dcr-hc44 minidv

i will check i have drop frame enable.

thanks

Post by **Ken Berry** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:44 pm

While John is correct that your various properties are appropriate, you have not told us about your computer. Depending on its architecture, it may not have sufficient resources to capture direct to mpeg-2 format.

This is a very demanding process as the signal coming out of your camera is in fact in its native DV format, and you are expecting the computer to convert it to mpeg-2 on the fly. If your computer is really under-resourced, it may simply not work, or else you will get jerky capture.

There is a buffer (called the transcode buffer) where VS will store the incoming DV (which comes in at high speed over firewire). If the computer is not fast enough, it cannot handle the volume of information coming in at that speed, so every so often, it will have to pause the capture to process the information in the buffer. Only when that information is processed into mpeg-2 and the buffer emptied, will VS resume capturing until the buffer fills up again.

If you capture to DV, which is really what you should be doing over Firewire, it is not really 'capturing' in a sense -- merely transferring digital information in its native DV format from camera to computer. There is no transcoding involved and the demand on computer resources is minimal. Moreover, the code in which DV is written means that it can be extensively edited and re-coded over and over again in DV format without visible loss in quality. Mpeg-2 uses completely different coding algorithms. Depending how you go about it, editing in mpeg-2 format can, for some people (like John), work all the time; or only some times for other people; and never for yet other people. In other words, it is more of a gamble than capturing and editing in DV format.

You are obviously having trouble capturing direct to mpeg-2 so I would say you fall into the latter two category of people who have trouble with mpeg-2. It is really time for you to capture and edit in DV format.

gavjbrown · Post by **gavjbrown** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:19 pm

hi ken, thanks for the info,

i have dropped the m-peg way and now just tried it with dv.

when played on the dvd player the picture quality is excellent but i have still got a jerky problem.

probably a silly question but could it be because the camcorder was moved to quickly from one side to the other when filming?

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