MSP* and Vista

skier-hughes · Post by **skier-hughes** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:09 pm

What would be the point in releasing an operating system that was the same as the last one? Unfortunately when you advance there will be some difficulties.

Creative were hopelss in supplying XP drivers when this was released. I use the XP drivers and get my sound, I installed the beta vista drivers and got nothing!!!

cgould · Post by **cgould** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:04 pm

It's not that the operating system has to be, or work, the same.
It's that existing, recent software, should still fracking WORK.
Heck, I have friends whose programs got broken installing IE7!! What the heck does a web browser, have to do with fax or email programs?!

In the meantime, since Microsoft has chosen such a crappy approach to compatibility (with general application programs, not just system-heavy stuff like virus/firewall/HW device drivers/heavy games etc.), it is incumbent on BOTH Microsoft and the application providers (eg Ulead), to work together BEFORE VISTA RELEASE, and ensure patches and/or new (cheap) versions, are available AT THE SAME TIME.
Heck, Vista is years late.
What is their excuse?

If I bought a new CoreDuo (or ANY) PC now, it comes with Vista, no choice- and I'm screwed to buy software, or use my existing software, because they were made not compatible.
That's inexcusable.

What is the point of releasing a new OS, if nothing will run on it?
I mean, besides the point of benefiting software vendors, now that everyone has to pony up to buy new versions of their software (and new HW) to be compatible...

Terry Stetler · Post by **Terry Stetler** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:57 pm

Toms Hardware reports that Vista is ~25% slower at encoding video vs. XP using the DivX and MainConcept encoders. This is pretty close to my results using the Vista pre-release builds.

Wonderful

Good thing is M$ will support XP until 2014. Hopefully Ulead and others will maintain XP compatibility so users can take advantage of this.

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:57 am

Agreed! What little video stuff I was able to use on my now-uninstalled Vista was very noticeably slower

Not that I was able to do much, as most of my video apps did not work at all.

IMHO, Vista, as it stands, is not a suitable OS for video work.

kmruler · Post by **kmruler** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:04 pm

My original post was this:

My problem is somewhat different than the threads I read here but here it is.My old laptop`s motherboard started giving me problems so last week(1-29-07) I bought a new one , a HP Pavillion 9225,a pretty good one. 17" monitor,AMD Turion TL-60 proc(2.0ghz)dual core,2048mb ram,Nividia video card with 256mb ram ,160gb hardrive and Vista Ultimate O/S.Most of my software loads ok with the exception of Nero 6 and Media Studio Pro 7. I ended up getting Nero 7 and it seemed to load ok but MSP 7 appears to load but when I try to turn on the program it says videoedit.exe has quit working and offers for Windows to find a solution which always leads to Ulead.com. I`ve filled out several tech support forms but haven`t recieved any answers, I even called up California Ulead and they basically said there was not solution at this time.I bought Ulead because it seemed like a cost effective alternative to Adobe but now I wonder if Adobe works better with Vista.Does anyone have any ideas about how I can get it to work? Next month I`m going to bikeweek and want to get lots of video and I need a reliable software to put that project together .Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated as I don`t know if Ulead will answer me by then.
Thanks
Kenny

Now I have even more questions.Imagine that ! First of all It appears that MSP7 isn`t the only thing that doesn`t work.A software program that is vital to my job won`t work on Vista ,it is called Foresite and is a surveying software that has a hardwarelock that it won`t work without.At first Vista wouldn`t recognize the new USB lock but I followed a techs advice and downloaded the newest drivers for the lock, then Vista recognized the lock, only problem the software doesn`t recognize the lock so it won`t work, the tech said he would have to get with the engineer and figure it out(i suspect it just needs a patch of some sort) this and my problem of MSP7 not loading tend to make me think I need a dual boot machine and run xp on another partition or some other fix.
I was wondering if this even possible on this machine as it came pre-loaded with Vista Ultimate.No discs or anything ,I just turned it on and it started asking questions (country, timezone,yada,yada) that night I made restore discs which took 4 dvds. My ideas now are either to make a partition with xp on it so my software will work or zapping the damn thing and getting rid of Vista and loading xp pro so everything works till microsoft and the other software people get their various acts together.
Any ideas on this would be appreciated as I`m almost at wits end trying to figure this stuff out, it`s almost like i screwed myself buying a new powerful machine

Thanks
Kenny

PS- Thanks for the tip about Vegas, I`m thinking about getting it this weekend

Terry Stetler · Post by **Terry Stetler** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:41 am

If you absolutely need/want to keep Vista then I guess the best alternative is to set up a dual-boot with XP as the 2nd OS, presuming Vista will even let you do that

This really is a ridiculous situation M$ has put us in, isn't it?

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:18 am

If you use my multi Boot Method you shouldn't have a problem with Vista clashing with XP or any other Operating system.

Briefly you need two or more physical hard drives.
disconnect the power cable to all but one hard drive, boot up your computer and the hard drive with the power supply takes on the drive letter C.
Install your operating system.

Now turn off your computer. remove the power supply to that hard drive and reconnect one of the other hard drives. That hard drive will now take on the drive letter C. Install your other operating system.

If you have a third hard drive you can repeat the process again.

Once you have installed an operating system to each hard drive. connect the power leads to them all. Unlike a conventional multi boot set up with a boot menu, with my method you don't get a boot menu and the computer boots up to whichever hard drive you have set as the boot drive in your system BIOS. That drive takes the drive letter C.

All of your operating systems are independent of each other.
You choose which operating system to boot from by going into your system BIOS and changing the boot up sequence.

kmruler · Post by **kmruler** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:17 am

Not sure if I can do that with a laptop though I do have an external drive I could use. Vista seems like a real pretty O/S but it doesn`t help much if my software doesn`t work. This machine is a Vista machine, not a up-grade that was why I`m wondering if I can even put xp on it as a dual-boot machine. Do you think it will duall boot?I`m a little unexperienced with this idea , that is why I`m asking youpros about it.
Kenny

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 2:22 am

Sorry but I steer clear of laptops. I suppose they are handy for people on the move but for my purposes
1. Too Expensive
2. Joe Average cannot take the lid off and upgrade or replace parts.
3. Never did like that titty little thing they call a mouse!

As far as I am aware laptops only have one internal hard drive - but no doubt someone will now tell me otherwise. I wouldn't think you could boot from an external hard drive - again someone is going to correct me again.

The suggestion I gave is for desktop computers.

neonbob · Post by **neonbob** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:17 am

clemolo wrote:but my soundblaster x-fi platinum won't work at all even tho I downloaded their Vista beta driver.

Cheers Ray

I have the X-FI elite pro and it works... are you sure you installed properly?

kmruler · Post by **kmruler** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:15 pm

I noticed on Adobe`s website that they already have a free patch for Vista for Photoshop Elements and Premeire Elements. Wonder why Ulead doesn`t have one for MSP ?

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:02 am

The following is taken from the Ulead VideoStudio 10 Updates page.
http://www.ulead.com/tech/vs/vs_ftp.htm

NOTEs:

* Windows Vista and the Windows logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of Microsoft Corporation in the United States and/or other countries
* This Update Pack is for Ulead® VideoStudio® 10/10 Plus (BOX, ESD, UPG, and activated TBYB) version.
* This Update Pack cannot be uninstalled.
* Since Video for Windows (VFW) is not supported in Vista, VFW codecs such as Indeo, Cinepak are not supported in Vista. The video content files provided by VideoStudio will now be encoded using .WMV instead of Indeo codecs.
* Some 3D transition effects that won¡¦t be supported on Vista are removed from current release, including: Flying Board, Flying Cube, Flying Flip, Flying Fold, and Folding Box. Some templates under "Album", "Flash Light" and "Mask" transition effect are also not supported.
* WDM devices are not supported by Vista. Thus, not supported by VideoStudio.
* WMV and MPEG 4 format CAPTURE is not supported.
* MOV and MPEG 4 formats are not supported in this version.
* WinDVD 7, PocketDV show, and Cool3D are not supported.

So I guess the real question should be why doesn't Vista support these formats.

skier-hughes · Post by **skier-hughes** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:47 pm

What formats Steve?

Your post doesn't list formats that Vista doesn't support, just formats that VS in Vista doesn't support.

I guess this is because it will take more than a few tweaks to get VS in Vista working with these so will no doubt come in VS11, or a later update.

Graham

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:08 am

sjj1805 wrote:The following is taken from the Ulead VideoStudio 10 Updates page.
http://www.ulead.com/tech/vs/vs_ftp.htm

NOTEs:

* Windows Vista and the Windows logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of Microsoft Corporation in the United States and/or other countries
* This Update Pack is for Ulead® VideoStudio® 10/10 Plus (BOX, ESD, UPG, and activated TBYB) version.
* This Update Pack cannot be uninstalled.
* Since Video for Windows (VFW) is not supported in Vista, VFW codecs such as Indeo, Cinepak are not supported in Vista. The video content files provided by VideoStudio will now be encoded using .WMV instead of Indeo codecs.
* Some 3D transition effects that won¡¦t be supported on Vista are removed from current release, including: Flying Board, Flying Cube, Flying Flip, Flying Fold, and Folding Box. Some templates under "Album", "Flash Light" and "Mask" transition effect are also not supported.
* WDM devices are not supported by Vista. Thus, not supported by VideoStudio.
* WMV and MPEG 4 format CAPTURE is not supported.
* MOV and MPEG 4 formats are not supported in this version.
* WinDVD 7, PocketDV show, and Cool3D are not supported.
So I guess the real question should be why doesn't Vista support these formats.

heinz-oz · Post by **heinz-oz** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:18 am

If I had to buy a PC today and I would be incabable of building my own

, I would buy an XP Pro OS disk for good measure and shelf that Vista crap until it offers some proper support for the software I want to run on hardware I already own.

If you always want the latest tech gizmo available, you are constantly chasing your tail and have no time to do anything else. Vista, pahh, who needs it? I don't