MSP* and Vista

[htchien]

Hi Steve,

1. Windows Vista Starter Edition
2. Windows Vista Home Basic
3. Windows Vista Home Premium
4. Windows Vista Business
5. Windows Vista Ultimate
6. Windows Vista Enterprise Edition

At least XP had clearly defined audiences
1. Home User
2. Business User (Pro)

Looking logically at the above list I would anticipate that 1, 2 & 3 are different versions of what equates to XP Home, 4, 5 & 6 are different versions of what equates to XP Pro. That's just my guess and someone is now going to tell me I'm wrong.

Not really that wrong, but 1 equates to WinXP Starter Edition, 2 & 3 are different versions of what equates to XP Home.

WinXP does have a Starter Edition in some countries. It's very limited and can only run 4 softwares at the same time if I remember correctly.

H.T.

[neonbob]

Link broken!

Note also that if you have one version of Vista installed, you cannot install another version as an upgrade. You have to do a reformat full version reinstall. XP is the same. I have 3 version disks of XP and it is impossible to swap the product keys or do a reinstall with a different version.

This is untrue. Although the vista upgrade version MUST be installed from WITHIN another OS... it does not check to see what os it is being installed from..... Now combine this with the fact that all vista disks are bootable and installable as a trial.... then what you have is a bit of a loop hole that is basicly allowing you to treat an upgrade disk as a full version disk.

I have done this and it works.... I am now running a dual boot system (xp/vista) with the use of an upgrade disk (my xp license is still intact and completely usable. Not withstanding, Microsoft has already come forward and admitted that this loop hole is here. However no comment either way was made as to weather or not it was an actual mistake.

Follow the instructions in this link:

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932

[Devil]

Yup! I didn't know this, but it's not what I was trying to say. If you have one version fully installed, say XP Home, and you want to change it to a full version of XP Pro, you cannot. I understand it's the same between Vista versions, but I cannot be categorical as I haven't tried it. Once you have a product key encrypted into the registry, it cannot be changed, short of a clean install, of course. I dare say there are workarounds at a registry level, but I don't know of them. I found this out when I accidentally put in a wrong key (had two identical licences but put the same key in both). I realised what I had done before activation and I tried to correct it by a repair reinstall as I had other drivers and software installed by then. It would not accept the second key, no matter what I did. I had to do a clean install. Try it yourself, if you like.

[htchien]

If you have one version fully installed, say XP Home, and you want to change it to a full version of XP Pro, you cannot. I understand it's the same between Vista versions, but I cannot be categorical as I haven't tried it. Once you have a product key encrypted into the registry, it cannot be changed, short of a clean install, of course. I dare say there are workarounds at a registry level, but I don't know of them. I found this out when I accidentally put in a wrong key (had two identical licences but put the same key in both). I realised what I had done before activation and I tried to correct it by a repair reinstall as I had other drivers and software installed by then. It would not accept the second key, no matter what I did. I had to do a clean install. Try it yourself, if you like.

For WinXP, if you want to change WinXP Home to WinXP Pro, you need to do a upgrade install or do a clean install. But for Vista, it's another story. Microsoft has changed the upgrade mechanism for Vista.

Vista uses the same installation disk for all its editions, that's why you will see all Vista editions listed at the first step when you install Vista. The Vista edition will be decided by the edition you choose when install and the Vista product key you have. Different product keys will unlock different features of Vista. You can purchase a small Vista upgrade software which includes a product key online from Microsoft to upgrade your Vista edition without a clean install.

For more information, check the following links.

Windows Anytime Upgrade - Program Detail:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/news ... WAUFS.mspx

Wikipedia - Windows Anytime Upgrade:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Anytime_Upgrade

Windows Vista - Windows Anytime Upgrade:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/produc ... rview.mspx

Windows Vista Help: Upgrade to another edition of Windows Vista:
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Window ... 81033.mspx

Windows Anytime Upgrade - FAQ:
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Window ... 81033.mspx

Hope this helps.

H.T.

[jamespeters]

Hi,

I've been trying to get an answer on this for around 10 days. I have finally got an indication of the product roadmap for Vista by contacting the press office at Ulead and asking them.

Unfortunately MediaStudio Pro was not on the list of products that are on the patching roadmap for Vista. All it said was "new releases would support Vista out of the box.

DVD MovieFactory 5/5 Plus & PhotoImpact 12 patches are in the pipeline.

Regards,

James.

[neonbob]

Unfortunately MediaStudio Pro was not on the list of products that are on the patching roadmap for Vista. All it said was "new releases would support Vista out of the box.
James.

That SOUNDS a lot like a new release that we will have to PAY for!? If that's the case then Ulead will lose me as a customer perminently. I have quite a few other editors and ALL of them are patching their PRESENT releases free of charge. If Ulead can't match this then I'll sell my MSP8 and be done with it.

[Devil]

Don't jump the gun. No decisions have been made yet on Ulead prosumer software.

[kmruler]

My problem is somewhat different than the threads I read here but here it is.My old laptop`s motherboard started giving me problems so last week(1-29-07) I bought a new one , a HP Pavillion 9225,a pretty good one. 17" monitor,AMD Turion TL-60 proc(2.0ghz)dual core,2048mb ram,Nividia video card with 256mb ram ,160gb hardrive and Vista Ultimate O/S.Most of my software loads ok with the exception of Nero 6 and Media Studio Pro 7. I ended up getting Nero 7 and it seemed to load ok but MSP 7 appears to load but when I try to turn on the program it says videoedit.exe has quit working and offers for Windows to find a solution which always leads to Ulead.com. I`ve filled out several tech support forms but haven`t recieved any answers, I even called up California Ulead and they basically said there was not solution at this time.I bought Ulead because it seemed like a cost effective alternative to Adobe but now I wonder if Adobe works better with Vista.Does anyone have any ideas about how I can get it to work? Next month I`m going to bikeweek and want to get lots of video and I need a reliable software to put that project together .Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated as I don`t know if Ulead will answer me by then.
Thanks
Kenny

[MrA]

My answer, and granted, has nothing to do with Vista, but does, is, I am keeping XP for at least a year before upgrading. Been there done that, and I always get burned... so, I sit back and watch the forums, and really get informed... (maybe throw that into a FAQ, i.e., wait before you install new OS specific versions).. Was a software developer for over 25 years with MS products, and yes I learned to wait and watch.. (actually, I may wait till Ulead says they no longer will support the XP version...)

[neonbob]

Most of my software loads ok with the exception of Nero 6 and Media Studio Pro 7. I ended up getting Nero 7 and it seemed to load ok but MSP 7 appears to load but when I try to turn on the program it says videoedit.exe has quit working and offers for Windows to find a solution which always leads to Ulead.com.
Kenny

MSP7 and MSP8 do not work in Vista... and I doubt they will ever patch MSP7 for Vista. There is a queston here weather or not we will see a FREE MSP8 patch for Vista.... all you can do is wait.

The only editor that I know of that will work with Vista straight out of the box is Sony Vegas7. The program itself works fine, but it's accompanied media manger does not. Most if not all other major brand editors have show stopper problems.

And yes... correct... Nero6 is a no-go too.

[sjj1805]

As I have suggested previously in other threads. Most of our Users also own a legitimate copy of XP and have no doubt upgraded to Vista.

Why not create yourself a multi-boot system so that you can enjoy the best of both.

[neonbob]

As I have suggested previously in other threads. Most of our Users also own a legitimate copy of XP and have no doubt upgraded to Vista.

Why not create yourself a multi-boot system so that you can enjoy the best of both.

This can be done with the upgrade disks (but it's not really legal... the upgrade disks are SUPPOSED to nullify the XP registration key rendering it useless, but there is a bit of a defect... which will of course sooner or later be fixed.)

Which means that if you wanted to do what you suggest... legally... then you have to buy the FULL version disk. That's an extra $100 or so just to run MSP?? Why should customers be forced to do that??? I own a fair few other editors and they ALL are issuing patchwork to their latest versions for Vista.... why should it be different for Ulead?

[sjj1805]

My post was badly worded and gives the wrong message.
If you can legitimately create a multi-boot system with XP and Vista then it is an option you can consider.

Incidentally if you purchase an upgrade of a Ulead Product as far as I am aware that does not prevent you keeping the earlier version.
Seems like another bit of Microsoft Aggression if they tear away your existing paid for version of an operating system because you decided to pay them a bit more for the newer version.

[neonbob]

Seems like another bit of Microsoft Aggression if they tear away your existing paid for version of an operating system because you decided to pay them a bit more for the newer version.

A lot of people see it your way, that's for sure (including me). But the short and long of it is that if you UPGRADE, it infers that you are in fact merely updating the XP (so to speak) to the newer Vista. The fact that you are actually REPLACING instead of merely updating is not really relevant (to microsoft anyway).

[clemolo]

For your interest, I have clean installed my upgrade vista business version and still have my legal copy of Xp working on another drive.
I tried MSP8 and it wouldn't install also tried MF5 but it installed with errors.Most of the other programs (not many) that I have so far installed seem to work but my soundblaster x-fi platinum won't work at all even tho I downloaded their Vista beta driver.
I must say Vista looks very nice on the screen but it is a bit frustrating. For instance I couldn't uninstall the before mentioned creative software. Also I tried to save some ordinary data to a folder in my documents and was informed that I didn't have permission to save to that folder. I think I have a lot to learn as a lot of things I could do in xp seem to be tricky.
I'm glad I kept my xp as I would otherwise not be able to use my MSP8 which I only bought just before Christmas. Even though I bought this from Ulead store there was no warning that it wouldn't operate in Vista.
I think it's a poor show from Microsoft to release an op system that isn't compatible with existing products and also a poor show that ulead don't seem to care as they have had months to experiment with new drivers
Cheers Ray