MSP* and Vista

htchien · Post by **htchien** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:46 pm

I have to admit I'm a little bias on Vista, but it's our choice to switch (or not to switch) to Vista.

I agree with Graham that sooner or later we might all get migrated to Vista, just like the old times we migrated to Windows 95 from Windows 3.1, or Windows XP from Windows 98. And all the issues will happen again when we migrate from Vista to the next Windows version (code name Vienna).

However, this time Microsoft does have challenges to make people to switch to Vista, especially:

1. Microsoft has just extended the support for Windows XP to 2014 and there is a rumor that MS is planning on SP3 for Windows XP.

2. Apple Intel Mac and Linux PCs are now getting more popular.

According to PC Magazine, you might see 14% Windows PCs running Vista and 70% Windows PCs running Windows XP on the world by the end of this year (if I remember correctly). Yes, the number for Vista will be growing, but I think the growing might not be that fast.

I think this thread is getting OT now (including myself), so back to the topic.

About Vista support of MSP, I would suggest you to contact Ulead Tech Support to see if they will give the answer. It's not possible to get an answer from us because we are just users in this forum, not Ulead people.

Ulead Tech Support:
http://www.ulead.com/tech/techsupport.htm

H.T.

richardnau · Post by **richardnau** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:51 am

So I asked Tech Support 'when will a patch be released to allow MSP8 to work with Vista?'. The response was rather weasly...

They said (my paraphrase):

1) MSP8 should only be used in the environment described on the product specifications (which does not include Vista).

2) For Vista support you should wait for a patch to be released, just like the patch for VS10.

I have re-put the question, highlighting the specific request for information as to date.

Now I'm off to search the forums for information as to Vista compatibility for other Ulead software on my system (DMF5, PI11, C3DPS). Seems to me that Vista will be a make or break issue for some of these products - they'll either live on or be withdrawn from sale depending on Vista support. My (personal) expectation is that: DMF will live, PI will live (but will need to be upgraded to 12 for Vista support), C3DPS will die. I'm still not sure about MSP8... I reckon the patient has a 50/50 chance.

htchien · Post by **htchien** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:12 am

richardnau wrote:C3DPS will die.

When I test C3DPS on Vista RC builds months ago it's working well. However, not tested on Vista RTM since I do not have Vista installed now....

H.T.

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:09 pm

... But it cannot perform better than Windows XP. Is this a K.O. for Windows Vista in the enthusiast space?

If you really need your PC to finish huge encoding, transcoding or rendering workloads within a defined time frame, yes, it is. Don't do it; stay with XP. But as long as you don't need to finish workloads in record time, we believe it makes sense to consider these three bullet points:

* Vista runs considerably more services and thus has to spend somewhat more resources on itself. Indexing, connectivity and usability don't come for free.
* There is a lot of CPU performance available today! We've got really fast dual core processors, and even faster quad cores will hit the market by the middle of the year. Even though you will lose application performance by upgrading to Vista, today's hardware is much faster than yesterday's, and tomorrow's processors will clearly leap even further ahead.
* No new Windows release has been able to offer more application performance than its predecessor.

KO for Windows Vista?

Post by **Ron P.** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:41 pm

Yep, I'd say that's a big KO for Vista. Lack of support for OpenGL, what's up with that? and about 24% slower for any graphic intensive programs. After 1 day and M$ is batting a big 0 ...

Last night the nightly news ran their blurb about Vista.. one of the main concerns was it's "security issues". They interviewed a woman that had problems putting the photos that she took, with her camera on CDs. It seems that the software thinks that she is stealing them.

skier-hughes · Post by **skier-hughes** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:22 pm

I can't find that page or article, but found one which said this

Five years after Windows XP, Windows Vista undoubtedly is the better operating system, period. For new systems, it isn't more expensive than Windows XP, but it gives you more comfort, better connectivity, more security and a future-proof software platform. We found it to be more accessible as well, so go for Vista if you are a beginner, rather than fighting with the difficulties of Windows XP when it comes to doing things.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/2007/01/2 ... _vista_uk/

I've just this second finished installing Vista Ultimate RTM on my video pc, I get an MSDN subscription as part of my MVP benefits. I'll install my video apps and I have a project to do, so I'll do it in both XP and Vista and give you an account of the differences on a pc which is no longer state of the art.

Post by **Ron P.** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:38 pm

You lucky dog you..

Well I'll be waiting for your report, I trust it to be somewhat unbiased

I sent you an email with that article attached so you can see what they are saying about it...

skier-hughes · Post by **skier-hughes** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:05 pm

Interesting reading. I didn't do any timed trials during my beta testing, of mainly movie maker, dvd maker, wmp, and the apps integration that I use, but I can't say that I noticed a time lag.

Vista is geared towards using gpu in video work, so the biggest improvement in rendering etc will be when apps and vista both use this. graphics cards with 256mb memory are really required.

Post by **Ron P.** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:46 pm

If it is geared toward gpu, then it should in fact be an improvement for graphic intensive programs, I would think. Just as long as there are no other bottlenecks, such as slow memory, HDDs, or FSB correct?

htchien · Post by **htchien** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:24 am

Hi Graham,

Maybe you did not get a time lag because the RAM size and the CPU in your system are good enough for Vista to run? And I can see you are using a RAID system....

And since you are using nVidia FX-5200, you might not be able to get the Aero UI to be on?

H.T.

ArthurH · Post by **ArthurH** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:33 pm

I read this topic with some amusement but mostly with sad regret.

I have been running Vista Ultimate for several weeks on a somewhat hefty machine: ASUS D5H 6400, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2gb memory. I did have some problems (expected) with some hardware drivers and some software products. MS does give you a program to check out compatibility before you install. My Vista editing system has four 200gb disk drives installed to contain my most needed libraries.

Many hardware and software providers view these incompatibilities as a windfall. Instead of creating new drivers or patches for their existing products they intentionally want you to buy new versions. They love it!

Most of the incompats I had were readily solved either by visiting the vendor support page for upgrades or patches or by emailing support. Almost all answered with fully functioning solutions.

Most of my "upgrade" pressure is because of High Definition. So much more resource is needed - memory, speed, storage, real time rendering, etc. I can't go back! I do have several XP workstations and I know I will eventually upgrade all - in time!

But, and here is my regret. I can't wait! I use Edius Broadcast and Premier Pro on these machines. Premier does run perfectly on Vista.

I have been an MSP junkie almost forever and until recently using MSP 8, but as I said I can't wait. I have projects to complete. Ulead has abandoned my future, maybe yours too.

I am not trying to stir up the pot but wonder why we can't get an answer to the original post!

sjj1805 · Post by **sjj1805** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 1:31 am

Just a thought for those experiencing problems with MSP8 on Vista.

Perhaps someone with Vista can check the compatibility mode (I take it there is one) and see if MSP8 perhaps performs better on a Vista System that way, pending any release of a Vista Patch.

I have since re-formatted the spare hard drive I used with the Beta Release of Vista so that I could place that hard drive in my other PC.

Devil · Post by **Devil** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 9:45 am

Tried it. It didn't work in Vista RC.

skier-hughes · Post by **skier-hughes** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 10:32 am

RC1 and 2 are quite different to RTM, so it's still worth testing on the final version.

I don't have it, so I can't.

WesleyS · Post by **WesleyS** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 3:08 pm

I agree 100% with ArthurH.

Still my "oryginal" post has no answer. A least Ulead shall announce, IF they plan issue and WHEN, patch for MS Vista. MSP8 is one of few only software not running correct on my PC with new OS.

Message for Ulead Team: please, do not ignore us and answer for simple question: IF and WHEN?

WesleyS

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