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Ricky O

Sony MicroMV

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Ok, I rule the day I ever bought this format of Video camera, Sony MicroMV, great little camera but it's not the most popular of formats when it comes to editing software. Videostudio 9 worked ok, now upgraded to VS 10+ and it is really playing up. It will not capture properly from the camera, this error message appears:

'previewing of the video will stop due to differences in the formats (HDV and DV) of the video in the tape. Turn off then turn on your device to resume previewing.'

and if I use any clip already on the PC it will play the clip from the libray fine, as soon as I drag it onto the timeline it refuses to play the clip. or it plays it a few frames at a time.

Cant see how Ulead would drop support for MicroMV in this upgrade?
Any sugestions greatly apreciated
ps. also bought new kodak v610 camera, records video in mpeg 4, also will not play that...HELP!! Ricky
jchunter

Post by jchunter »

Ricky,
The Sony MicroMV uses a non standard ultra tiny tape cassette to store Mpeg2 video. Production was canceled three years ago and that is possibly why Video Studio 10+ doesn't support capture.

However, its a real mystery why previously captured clips don't edit or playback in 10+ because the video is supposed to be vanilla mpeg2.

Please post a complete set of capture file properties. You should be able to get these from VS9.

In any case, this looks like a job for Ulead tech support, especially if version 9 worked...
Ricky O

Post by Ricky O »

Hi JC,

Thanks for your comments. I called ulead tech today and they informed that VS10 in fact does not support MicroMV as Sony took away their license. Seems Sony want to kill off this format, bit like the betamax days!! Makes you think twice about blue ray...
So what format do you choose?
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Post by Ken Berry »

I should add that if it worked with VS9, you were among the lucky few. Ever since I first heard about MicroMV format, way back when I first started video editing with VS7, I have heard nothing but complaints from users of such cameras having trouble getting Video Studio to work with it. Even changing to the MicroMV capture plug-in did not seem to work, or only worked erratically. And as you say, Sony itself has for some time now made it plain it had no more interest in supporting its own format. So you can hardly blame other software manufacturers for following suit.

John can speak for himself (though it is no secret that he is becoming one of our HD camera gurus! :lol: ) I personally am still using a stock standard mini DV camera (as well as a Sony Digital 8 camera for transferring my analogue 8 mm collection as DV to my computer. And for once, with a Sony product, it performs exactly as advertised and provides superb output which to my naked eye at least, appears almost as good quality as my DV captured from my mini DV camera...)

A lot of other users are succumbing to the mini DVD camera advertising blitz ("shoot and burn"). And I can certainly see the apparent advantages in shooting video in its final mpeg-2 form, and transferring it quickly to a full sized DVD. But the truth is that there are a wide variety of technologies associated with these cameras, or more precisely the type of mini DVD disc they use and how they need to be treated in getting their content to computer. In other words, a great variety of associated headaches. There is also a considerable polemic as to how much editing can or should be done to mpeg-2 files produced by such cameras (or at all) without risking degradation in quality or causing such problems as out of sync audio and video. Some people swear it can be done without problem while others report a variety of problems.

Then there are a small but growing number of users who have hard disk video cameras which again (usually) shoot in mpeg-2 format. When connected to the computer, they are seen as just another hard disk and for the most part this facilitates transfer of their content to the computer. But the same caveat above about editing mpeg-2 needs to be borne in mind. Also, some hard disk cameras seem to use proprietary or more sophisticated formats which require specialised codecs to deal with them.

Then there is also the small but growing happy band of HD camera enthusiasts. That opens up a whole Pandora's Box of great possibilities mixed with some headaches. But I will leave it to John Hunter to expand on that.
Ken Berry
Ricky O

Post by Ricky O »

Hi Ken,

Interesting comments. It looks as if I am going to have to invest in a new camera, or revert back to VS9. I guess it would have to be a HD camera if I do, no point in missing that bus! It is ironic that I went to a wedding and I filmed using the Sony and my new Kodak V610 (the slimmest 10x zoom camera in the world!!) and I cant edit either, for some reason mpeg 4 does not want to work on VS10. I spoke with the tech guy and he said just save it from the time line straight to share, save it as an avi file, then re-import it back to edit. Sounded good in theory, he explained MPEG 4 takes up huge amount of processing power and unless you have a mega powerful PC it can be a real problem to edit. To cut it short, did as he said and it still does not work, the screen just freezes. So the bride & groom are just going to have to wait!!
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Post by jchunter »

The caveats belong on Mpeg4, which does not seem to be quite ready for prime time, yet. :shock:

However, the suggestion from the tech guy seems like a good one for the video from the Sony MicroMV. You probably want to preserve the video that you have already made.

If the early captured video can't be edited by VS10+, then we can assume that it has been encoded incorrectly by the camcorder. So put the video into the VS9 Edit timeline, and then immediately do a SHARE/CREATE VIDEO FILE / Custom / Options. Set up the properties: Compression: DVD-NTSC, Video Bitrate: Variable, 8000Kbps, Dolby audio, 720x480 frame size. Set up the Field Order and Aspect Ratio to match the captured video file. Turn off Smart Render, to force VS9 to reencode the whole file. Hit the Save button.

See if the resulting Mpeg2 file can be edited by VS10+.
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