I have MSP8, and it gives me hours of fun. Here in Australia we use the European PAL 25 fps system.
I have a "toy" video camera, that records 30 fps. When I import it to MSP8 and render it to 25 fps, it looks jerky, just as bad or worse as some US to Euro conversions seen on TV. Is there any way of improving this render, perhaps with a separate application?
To make matters worse, the 30 fps is non-interlaced.
(From my "regular" Sony PAL camera, rendering to DVD etc is always excellent.)
Any help / ideas appreciated.
Cheers,
Arnie.
30 fps to 25?
As far as I can tell, it's not possible to get smooth PAL TV footage from a progressive 30fps source.
The mug-sw denizens run a showcase project every year which results in lots of short NTSC and PAL clips being collated for a pair of DVDs, one NTSC, the other PAL. Each contribution needs to be converted from its native format to the alternate format so that it can be used on both discs. We use ProCoder express for this conversion.
The NTSC footage is 720x480, 30fps and interlaced, and ProCoder does an admirable job of converting this to PAL. However, when I've tried to do the same with progressive footage, it's very jerky.
The mug-sw denizens run a showcase project every year which results in lots of short NTSC and PAL clips being collated for a pair of DVDs, one NTSC, the other PAL. Each contribution needs to be converted from its native format to the alternate format so that it can be used on both discs. We use ProCoder express for this conversion.
The NTSC footage is 720x480, 30fps and interlaced, and ProCoder does an admirable job of converting this to PAL. However, when I've tried to do the same with progressive footage, it's very jerky.
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Terry Stetler
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One of the best conversion tools I've used is Dynapel's Motion Perfect. It's also a slow/fast motion tool and dropped frame fixer. It works by creating MPEG-style interpolated (P) frames using motion vectors, which is different than how it's typically done.
http://www.dynapel.com/index.shtml
Browse to: /Products/Video Editing/Motion Perfect/
A little like using a 20mm canon as a flyswatter for your toy cam application, but the trialware might be interesting.
In terms of conventional tools the freeware VirtualDUB is excellent and very popular. A plus is that there a lot of freeware filters for VirtualDUB that give it some very interesting capabilities.
in VirtualDUB's menu: Video/Frame Rate/Frame Rate Conversion/ then check the 'Convert to _______ fps' box and fill it with the target frame rate.
Very often you'll find that sprcialized tools do certain operations better than full editing programs.
Deinterlacing is another area where this is the case. Here one of the TMPGEnc MPEG encoders tools is the ticket: it has no less than 16 deinterlacers, and you don't have to encode the file to MPEG to use them.
http://www.dynapel.com/index.shtml
Browse to: /Products/Video Editing/Motion Perfect/
A little like using a 20mm canon as a flyswatter for your toy cam application, but the trialware might be interesting.
In terms of conventional tools the freeware VirtualDUB is excellent and very popular. A plus is that there a lot of freeware filters for VirtualDUB that give it some very interesting capabilities.
in VirtualDUB's menu: Video/Frame Rate/Frame Rate Conversion/ then check the 'Convert to _______ fps' box and fill it with the target frame rate.
Very often you'll find that sprcialized tools do certain operations better than full editing programs.
Deinterlacing is another area where this is the case. Here one of the TMPGEnc MPEG encoders tools is the ticket: it has no less than 16 deinterlacers, and you don't have to encode the file to MPEG to use them.
Terry Stetler
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I have to agree with Terry... changing frame rates is a beast but there are special tools that do the best job. I have one of those Panasonic world VCRs and it works ok, but since the output is VHS the video dont look so hot in any case. Those with 50hz and 60hz equipment do best to stick to their own standards to maintain the optimum quality of their gear.
Transcoding is never "perfect" between different video standards and often FAR from it.
Transcoding is never "perfect" between different video standards and often FAR from it.