HD quality - is this real? anybody?
HD quality - is this real? anybody?
I don't get it. I have Mediastuidio pro v8. I successfully filmed and captured HD onto my computer. But because of the HDV plug-in it captures as MPEG2 files instead of avi files. Thereafter, no matter what settings I choose on the project and on the create video file - I can't even replicate the good video quality I had before - let alone HD quality! has anybody done this and created HD quality - "every blade of grass" - like on TV? If so what project settings? what template? I think I tried them all.
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Terry Stetler
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I hate to tell you this, but the reason MSPro8 is capturing MPEG-2 files from HDV is because HDV is MPEG-2 down to its very core and not an AVI with some imaginary "HDV codec". No, HDV does not mean High Def DV 
Hopefully you're setting up the proper project settings for your video. This should be one of the MPEG HDV profiles with a resolution to match your camcorders output. This is typically 720p or 1080i.
The native resolution of your HDTV also comes into play. Very few of them have a 1080i display resolution yet, so most times setting the cam and MSP8 to 720p will deliver the best results.
Setting the same resolution from start to end of the process minimizes transcoding and scaling losses as much as possible.
Hopefully you're setting up the proper project settings for your video. This should be one of the MPEG HDV profiles with a resolution to match your camcorders output. This is typically 720p or 1080i.
The native resolution of your HDTV also comes into play. Very few of them have a 1080i display resolution yet, so most times setting the cam and MSP8 to 720p will deliver the best results.
Setting the same resolution from start to end of the process minimizes transcoding and scaling losses as much as possible.
Terry Stetler
I have the HDR-HC1E (which has a 1440 x 1080 output). On Mediastudio pro 8 I use the 1440 x 1080 template, and I create the video file at the same resolution. My TV is 1,366 x 768 pixels and has 1080 format (I have seen beautifull High definition on this TV.
The picture looks good, but a little choppy - if I create the file as an avi it looks ok but deffinitely not High Def.
Terry - I didn't understand your remark that HDV does not mean high def. is this as good as it gets? It doesn't seem as good as even my old camcorder.
The picture looks good, but a little choppy - if I create the file as an avi it looks ok but deffinitely not High Def.
Terry - I didn't understand your remark that HDV does not mean high def. is this as good as it gets? It doesn't seem as good as even my old camcorder.
You cannot create a HD avi file with Ulead products, it must be in .wmv, mt2 or mpg (high definition). If you use the template to create a HDV file it will be in one of the listed formats. The mt2 file is used to export the HDV file back to the camera.
Unless you have a HD-DVD writer or a Blue-Ray writer you cannot create High definition disks.
You will have to export your production back to the tape and play it through the camera to the High Definition TV using the Component connections from the camera.
If you have VS-10+ you can use the High Definition tutorial here to create a Divx file that will play on certian DVD players.
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=13872
There are other NLEs that can create .avi files but I don't know which ones.
Unless you have a HD-DVD writer or a Blue-Ray writer you cannot create High definition disks.
You will have to export your production back to the tape and play it through the camera to the High Definition TV using the Component connections from the camera.
If you have VS-10+ you can use the High Definition tutorial here to create a Divx file that will play on certian DVD players.
http://phpbb.ulead.com.tw/EN/viewtopic.php?t=13872
There are other NLEs that can create .avi files but I don't know which ones.
tyamada - i Know i need the writer and also an HD player. In the meantime when i finish editing I transfer the file (LAN) to a media computer which is connected (component) to the plasma. This should work - no? The media computer has HD demos on it that work fine.
What template/project settings do you suggest. IS wmv also HD or just MPEG? do you have any idea what could cause the MPEG not to be perfect quality?
What template/project settings do you suggest. IS wmv also HD or just MPEG? do you have any idea what could cause the MPEG not to be perfect quality?
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tv_news_guy
Yup..High Def 1080i using Ulead works fine
Zivi
The problem may very well be in the computers output. If the hi def demos on it are running fine... but your 1080i m2t files arent, that means there is some kind of difference between them the computer just cant handle.
My guess, and its just that, a guess..is that the demos are in 720 resolution high def. If your comp cant handle the bitrate..(throughput) that can make the best High def video look awful.
Just to be clear.. I capure high def from my Sony hdrfx1, edit it and it plays back fine both ways...back to my camcorder to play on my big plasma tv and out through the comps video card (Radeon 1900 with high def output)..to the lcd tv/monitor attached to my system.
The picture is great. Either way. I am just waiting now to decide on which way to go on high def burning. Once I decide.. then I am married to burners and a player and don't want to make the investement until I am sure which format (Blu-Ray or HDDVD) is the right one for me.
Keep at it and don't get discouraged. The final results are waaaaay worth it.
Hope this helps.
Bill tv_news_guy
Non-Linear editing is half art/half brain damage
The problem may very well be in the computers output. If the hi def demos on it are running fine... but your 1080i m2t files arent, that means there is some kind of difference between them the computer just cant handle.
My guess, and its just that, a guess..is that the demos are in 720 resolution high def. If your comp cant handle the bitrate..(throughput) that can make the best High def video look awful.
Just to be clear.. I capure high def from my Sony hdrfx1, edit it and it plays back fine both ways...back to my camcorder to play on my big plasma tv and out through the comps video card (Radeon 1900 with high def output)..to the lcd tv/monitor attached to my system.
The picture is great. Either way. I am just waiting now to decide on which way to go on high def burning. Once I decide.. then I am married to burners and a player and don't want to make the investement until I am sure which format (Blu-Ray or HDDVD) is the right one for me.
Keep at it and don't get discouraged. The final results are waaaaay worth it.
Hope this helps.
Bill tv_news_guy
Non-Linear editing is half art/half brain damage
I use the standard HD 1080/60i Program Stream template when I use Create video file, and select template.
My HC1 captured video plays in HD on my computer display and the picture is great. I don't know why your are having problems. I tried wmv HD video but was discouraged by the time it took to render the file, I just didn't to wait however long it was goin to take to create the file.
My HC1 captured video plays in HD on my computer display and the picture is great. I don't know why your are having problems. I tried wmv HD video but was discouraged by the time it took to render the file, I just didn't to wait however long it was goin to take to create the file.
I think I'm doing everything like you. the result seems good quality but not anything you can expect from high definition - a jump here and there, fuzzy on a freeze, etc.
My graphics cards are RADEON X600 on the editing computer and X300 on the media computer. I wonder if thats the problem.
I'll try to create an mt2, transfer it back to the camcorder and connect that straight to the component on the plasma - that should bypass the displays on both computers.
My graphics cards are RADEON X600 on the editing computer and X300 on the media computer. I wonder if thats the problem.
I'll try to create an mt2, transfer it back to the camcorder and connect that straight to the component on the plasma - that should bypass the displays on both computers.
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Terry Stetler
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Minimum requirement for smooth HDV playback is a PCI Express ATI X800 or nVidea 6600. Even then, all other bits need to be paying together smoothly to get that stream running well. Liek making sure your hard drives are defragged, etc. The media player is also important. WinDVD7 Platinum plays back the HDV I shot with the HC-1 very smoothly.
Regards
Tobie
Regards
Tobie
It's not your video cards its the way the computer handles the HD video, after you render your video it should be ok. When you are editing and capturing the preview window is jerky because it has lower priority displaying your frames, its busy doing other things.
As stated above,once your video is rendered it should play back normaly like any other video file.
As stated above,once your video is rendered it should play back normaly like any other video file.
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Jerry Jones
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To edit HDV, you need to use the correct editing template in Ulead MediaStudio Pro 8.
HDV is MPEG-2.
So if you're editing HDV, you're editing MPEG-2.
I've done some experimentation with HDV files and I've learned a few important lessons.
1. Don't expect your standard definition playback equipment to work properly with HDV. For example, I have a laptop computer with an S-Video port that sends my standard definition previews out to a standard definition widescreen CRT TV. This setup works great for standard definition playback. I can play standard definition DV .avi and MPEG-2 files and they look great on my external CRT TV. However, if I attempt to play HDV files through this same S-Video-to-CRT setup, the video looks AWFUL because the S-Video port, the video display adapter, the CRT TV, etc., are not designed for high definition video playback.
2. The software you use to playback your HDV video is critical. Why? Because most consumer HDV is 1080i -- interlaced -- and you'll need playback software that can DEINTERLACE this video on-the-fly during playback so that you don't get combing artifacts. Windows Media Player, so far, isn't cutting it on my computer. But guess what? An old version of Cyberlink's "Power DVD" works great because it features a built-in DEINTERLACER. I'm sure the latest InterVideo WinDVD player would be great. But this DEINTERLACING filter in the software can make the difference between great-looking HDV playback and *disastrous* HDV playback (the appearance of motion artifacts).
3. I also have a couple of flat panel displays and it has been interesting to observe HDV is very picky about being played back at its native resolution. In other words, when you adjust your playback software, you need to make sure you haven't adjusted it to "deform" the video resolution in some way.
Ulead's Smart Render does work to preserve quality!
I can play 1080i HDV streams on my Gateway notebook without a hitch.
When you get the display issues worked out, you can really see the benefit of HDV (although I suspect AVCHD will be even better).
Later,
Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net
HDV is MPEG-2.
So if you're editing HDV, you're editing MPEG-2.
I've done some experimentation with HDV files and I've learned a few important lessons.
1. Don't expect your standard definition playback equipment to work properly with HDV. For example, I have a laptop computer with an S-Video port that sends my standard definition previews out to a standard definition widescreen CRT TV. This setup works great for standard definition playback. I can play standard definition DV .avi and MPEG-2 files and they look great on my external CRT TV. However, if I attempt to play HDV files through this same S-Video-to-CRT setup, the video looks AWFUL because the S-Video port, the video display adapter, the CRT TV, etc., are not designed for high definition video playback.
2. The software you use to playback your HDV video is critical. Why? Because most consumer HDV is 1080i -- interlaced -- and you'll need playback software that can DEINTERLACE this video on-the-fly during playback so that you don't get combing artifacts. Windows Media Player, so far, isn't cutting it on my computer. But guess what? An old version of Cyberlink's "Power DVD" works great because it features a built-in DEINTERLACER. I'm sure the latest InterVideo WinDVD player would be great. But this DEINTERLACING filter in the software can make the difference between great-looking HDV playback and *disastrous* HDV playback (the appearance of motion artifacts).
3. I also have a couple of flat panel displays and it has been interesting to observe HDV is very picky about being played back at its native resolution. In other words, when you adjust your playback software, you need to make sure you haven't adjusted it to "deform" the video resolution in some way.
Ulead's Smart Render does work to preserve quality!
I can play 1080i HDV streams on my Gateway notebook without a hitch.
When you get the display issues worked out, you can really see the benefit of HDV (although I suspect AVCHD will be even better).
Later,
Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net
Gateway 7426gx
http://tinyurl.com/hagye
http://tinyurl.com/hagye
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Jerry Jones
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Also, I've been unable to use the Ulead software to properly down-convert HDV files to be standard definition DVD files.
This is just my personal opinion so take it for what it's worth.
I believe an individual should not attempt to down-convert HDV in software, but -- to achieve the best results -- should instead down-convert using the camcorder's internal hardware.
Many HDV camcorders will down-convert HDV recordings to standard definition DV via Firewire.
That's the route I would recommend.
Otherwise, use high definition camcorders to create high definition DVDs.
Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net
This is just my personal opinion so take it for what it's worth.
I believe an individual should not attempt to down-convert HDV in software, but -- to achieve the best results -- should instead down-convert using the camcorder's internal hardware.
Many HDV camcorders will down-convert HDV recordings to standard definition DV via Firewire.
That's the route I would recommend.
Otherwise, use high definition camcorders to create high definition DVDs.
Jerry Jones
http://www.jonesgroup.net
Gateway 7426gx
http://tinyurl.com/hagye
http://tinyurl.com/hagye